Eastern Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I think Crowder went above and beyond what happens in a normal jockey. To me, it seemed more that he was just trying to hit JR rather than trying to get in position for a rebound, but obviously we'll never really know what the intent was there. Regardless, I think what he did was a foul, which is my main point.

And I'm not excusing what JR did at all. He should be suspended around 3 games IMO. But I do think this is avoided if the refs simply call a foul there, and I've never been a "Just let them play" guy in any sport.

(HYPERBOLE ALERT)

Hope you enjoy FT competitions then, because that's exactly what games would be if you called that every single time.

[cavsfan2]

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It sucks thatLove got hurt. It sucks even more that he got hurt in a game where the result was determined and playing was just a formality.

I don't think Olynyk went into the play with the intent to dislocate Loves shoulder, but if you push down on someone's arm and then pull on it that tends to happen. It was a dirty play, plain and simple.

I personally felt Perkins response was justified. The Celtics had been chippy all series and eventually it resulted in one of our big three getting injured. He pushed Crowder to the ground. Nobody is gonna get injured off of that. JRs was unjustified though, and it will probably cost him a game or two.

[OkayC]

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Lol arms getting locked up while jockeying for position and doing what Olynyk did is completely different. I don't understand how you think this is so common.

Lol i dont see how you think those two things are any different. Like i said yall are acting like olynyk walked up to love and pulled his arm out of his socket. That clearly did not happen. They both fought for a lose ball, olynyk pulled him to keep him from getting the ball. That what the video shows. This pulling and tugging to purposely hurt love idea is an overeaction at best.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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You could literally pull up videos of like 90% of jump shots taken in the playoffs and would see that same sort of interaction on box outs. Guys with an elbow in a back, or an arm being extended. It happens damn near every play.

That 2nd rd playoff thread is going to be filled with 40% of it being related to Cavs-Bulls, 55% of it being related to the Officiating in that series and the other 5% about Wizards/Nets or Hawks.

[OSUFan_88]

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You could literally pull up videos of like 90% of jump shots taken in the playoffs and would see that same sort of interaction on box outs. Guys with an elbow in a back, or an arm being extended. It happens damn near every play.

And how many guys are literally pulling a guy by his arm the other way from the ball?

I guess the argument is either Olynyk doesn't know how to play basketball or he's trying to hurt Love.

[The 24th Letter]

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Where i'll agree is that I don't blame the ref's at all...only real control they have is where they see something bubbling over and don't take command...I have no idea how two arms on JR's back holding him down wasn't called but as mentioned, it's nothing out of the ordinary....and didn't merit Smith's reaction...

[lilteapot]

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Lol i dont see how you think those two things are any different. Like i said yall are acting like olynyk walked up to love and pulled his arm out of his socket. That clearly did not happen. They both fought for a lose ball, olynyk pulled him to keep him from getting the ball. That what the video shows. This pulling and tugging to purposely hurt love idea is an overeaction at best.

The ball was on the other side of where Olynyk was pulling his arm. He was going nowhere near the ball and Love wasn't even facing the ball lmao. It wasn't a basketball play, it was Olynyk getting frustrated.

[King_B_Mack]

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I wish I could post some Youtube videos of all the arm tangling and tugging that guys do while their arms are tangled to blow this lame narrative that what Olynyk did was the first time in NBA history that it's ever happened out of the water, but I can't because it happens so damn often every NBA week that it's like trying to Google search a specific NBA game with a basketball in it.

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Still not sure how this is above and beyond the usual NBA box out.

[lilteapot]

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I wish I could post some Youtube videos of all the arm tangling and tugging that guys do while their arms are tangled to blow this lame narrative that what Olynyk did was the first time in NBA history that it's ever happened out of the water, but I can't because it happens so damn often every NBA week that it's like trying to Google search a specific NBA game with a basketball in it.

How many of those regular old tie ups result in dislocated shoulders? Obviously this one had more than just a little bit of the usual force...lol

[JODYE]

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That 2nd rd playoff thread is going to be filled with 40% of it being related to Cavs-Bulls, 55% of it being related to the Officiating in that series and the other 5% about Wizards/Nets or Hawks.

I'd say about 20%, 78%, 2% lmao

And how many guys are literally pulling a guy by his arm the other way from the ball?

I guess the argument is either Olynyk doesn't know how to play basketball or he's trying to hurt Love.

You do realize the momentum Love was initially pushing Olynyk with was carrying them passed the ball right? Seems like they both lost their balance a little bit at that moment.

[The 24th Letter]

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If you're asking me if this happens more often than we think(especially over the course of an 82 game season), then yes to your question. Granted not everyone's shoulder gets pulled from their socket and in some cases not even in the same position that Love was, but this does happen.

Bet....maybe I'm missing it then....I'll definitely be on the lookout for it from now on, especially if it's happening constantly....

I know nobody better do that **** to me going for a loose ball...

[OkayC]

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The ball was on the other side of where Olynyk was pulling his arm. He was going nowhere near the ball and Love wasn't even facing the ball lmao. It wasn't a basketball play, it was Olynyk getting frustrated.

Him and love were clearly running to the ball wtf are you talking about? Your logic for that makes no sense because first of all, if olynyk was close enough to pull loves arm, that means he was close to the ball, because love was going for the ball. Second they were both literally in pursuit of the ball, which is why the whole incident happened to begin with. Olynyk didnt just come from no where to pull loves arm, they were both chasing the ball, which is what nba players are supposed to do, which is Get The Freakin Ball!

[King_B_Mack]

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How many of those regular old tie ups result in dislocated shoulders? Obviously this one had more than just a little bit of the usual force...lol

So that's the criteria for a dirty play? If somebody gets hurt from it?

[lilteapot]

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Him and love were clearly running to the ball wtf are you talking about? Your logic for that makes no sense because first of all, if olynyk was close enough to pull loves arm, that means he was close to the ball, because love was going for the ball. Second they were both literally in pursuit of the ball, which is why the whole incident happened to begin with. Olynyk didnt just come from no where to pull loves arm, they were both chasing the ball, which is what nba players are supposed to do, which is Get The Freakin Ball!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ31539Cg04

Love was reaching for the ball and Olynyk clearly is just trying to pull him away.

[ojandpizza]

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Bogut and other players routinely grab guys arms and yank them like that?



Like I said, I see interlocked arms every game, but I'm guessing I'm missing that particular part...seems like it would dislocate a lot more shoulders....

I agree, that's definitely not a routine play. Guys lock arms all the time, but the yanking, for no reason because there wasn't going to be a play on the ball, that was definitely excessive/dirty. Not saying he deliberately tried to dislocate Love's shoulder but there was definitely "extra" there.. He could have just been trying to pull him to the ground, either way that's not an every game basketball play.


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