Eastern Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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There are a lot of If/then scenarios that you could create throughout this game.

Don't we generally laud NBA officials for allowing guys to continue play in the playoffs? But because we have two children on the court that reacted in the manner that they did, now we need them to call the game even tighter? It's amazing that JR Smith is still even allowed to play basketball at this point.

Were the Celtics playing physical? Absolutely. Were they playing dirty or getting out of hand? No, not even close.

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Other than the initial contact (even JR initiates this), I don't see a foul here. I see two guys jockeying for position in the midst of a playoff game, and one guy butthurt because he's getting muscled across the paint.

Personally, I disagree with letting guys play just because we get to the playoffs. If it's a foul, it should be called a foul.

And I think Crowder could have been called for fouls at least twice immediately before JR's reaction, and you see guys get called for shoving a player in the back as their jockeying for rebounds all the time. JR just didn't flail like most NBA players do when they get pushed while boxing out.

Anyways, that's just my opinion. Everyone feels differently about what a foul is and isn't in the NBA, but I think they easily could have called what Crowder did multiple times a foul.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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How exactly was Crowder trying to draw a reaction from Smith?

Isn't that something that happens all the time when guys are jockeying for position?

I do agree in that people do cry about the Refs not letting guys play once the playoffs start but then when they do(not talking about stuff like yesterday because that rarely happens in the playoffs)let them play, then some folks complain about not "controlling the game". Make up ya'll damn minds as to what you want in the playoffs aside from the few instances we get like we saw yesterday.

[The 24th Letter]

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Bogut and other players routinely grab guys arms and yank them like that?

Like I said, I see interlocked arms every game, but I'm guessing I'm missing that particular part...seems like it would dislocate a lot more shoulders....

[OkayC]

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All i know is, god help cavs fans when yall play chicago, if this stuff is what your complaining about smh.

[The 24th Letter]

Eastern Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

If you have aspirations of winning a championship and feel you lost your starting four over an unnecessary play…I’d say yeah...the fan base may feel a certain way about it, lol

[OkayC]

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If you have championship aspirations of winning a championship and feel you lost your starting four over an unnecessary play…I’d say yeah...the fan base may feel a certain way about it, lol

Well obviously there mad cuz they lost love. But this play happens all the time, some guys are acting like love just got shot. When in all honesty, if love doesnt get hurt, this isnt even a conversation. But love happened to get hurt so now its, "the celtics players trying to take out cavs players".

[lilteapot]

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Well obviously there mad cuz they lost love. But this play happens all the time, some guys are acting like love just got shot. When in all honesty, if love doesnt get hurt, this isnt even a conversation. But love happened to get hurt so now its, "the celtics players trying to take out cavs players".

The issue here is that it doesn't happen all the time...point me to one instance in any game in the playoffs so far that shows a play where one player deliberately yanks on another player's arm.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Most NBA players don't throw elbows when blocking out/jockeying for position either.

I really don't see how its the refs fault in any of those situations.

As a Wizards fan I don't see any intent to harm Love in that play. Maybe I'm not watching closely enough but it looks like a normal "arm tangle drag" that happens 3-4 times a game.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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How exactly was Crowder trying to draw a reaction from Smith?

Isn't that something that happens all the time when guys are jockeying for position?

I think Crowder went above and beyond what happens in a normal jockey. To me, it seemed more that he was just trying to hit JR rather than trying to get in position for a rebound, but obviously we'll never really know what the intent was there. Regardless, I think what he did was a foul, which is my main point.

And I'm not excusing what JR did at all. He should be suspended around 3 games IMO. But I do think this is avoided if the refs simply call a foul there, and I've never been a "Just let them play" guy in any sport.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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If you call a foul on Crowder for his box-shove then you'll be shooting FTs all game.

[King_B_Mack]

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Bucks have been playing physical with the Bulls for the last four games and nobody's batted an eye. We've not had one knockout but we did have an injury, nobody's said nothing except Bulls fans. But we've got the end of the world because the Celtics and Cavs series has gone physical?

[OkayC]

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The issue here is that it doesn't happen all the time...point me to one instance in any game in the playoffs so far that shows a play where one player deliberately yanks on another player's arm.

Dude when players fight for rebounds and loose balls arms get grabbed. Somebody literraly just posted a picture of love doing it to olynyk in the same game 3 pages ago. So imo this isnt about loves arm getting pulled on, cuz anybody who watches nba basketball knows it happens. Which is why i say if love doesnt get hurt, nobody would be saying anything. It seems to me that the issue here is did olynyk do it to hurt love, in which case i dont beleive he did. I already said what i thought the play was, i thought it was physical and somewhat aggressive, but i dont beleive he tried to hurt him.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Bogut and other players routinely grab guys arms and yank them like that?

Like I said, I see interlocked arms every game, but I'm guessing I'm missing that particular part...seems like it would dislocate a lot more shoulders....

If you're asking me if this happens more often than we think(especially over the course of an 82 game season), then yes to your question. Granted not everyone's shoulder gets pulled from their socket and in some cases not even in the same position that Love was, but this does happen.

[JODYE]

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You could literally pull up videos of like 90% of jump shots taken in the playoffs and would see that same sort of interaction on box outs. Guys with an elbow in a back, or an arm being extended. It happens damn near every play.

[lilteapot]

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Dude when players fight for rebounds and loose balls arms get grabbed. Somebody literraly just posted a picture of love doing it to olynyk in the same game 3 pages ago. So imo this isnt about loves arm getting pulled on, cuz anybody who watches nba basketball knows it happens. Which is why i say if love doesnt get hurt, nobody would be saying anything. It seems to me that the issue here is did olynyk do it to hurt love, in which case i dont beleive he did. I already said what i though the play was, i thought it was physical and somewhat aggressive, but i dont beleive he tried to hurt him.

Lol arms getting locked up while jockeying for position and doing what Olynyk did is completely different. I don't understand how you think this is so common.