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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203

    #1096
    Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by ojandpizza
    Meh T-Mac's Orlando teams were pretty garbage King. Don't know when they ever really had expectations to do anything once is was obvious Hill wasn't going to be healthy enough to contribute.

    I just think it's odd we are even having the "Paul keeps getting a pass talk" when we've had this talk during the playoffs every year for the past 3 years now lol.. It's not like it's never brought up. If it keeps getting brought up he's obviously not really getting a pass.




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    Not here. OS is the same place that targets bench players for not suiting up but collecting rings.

    I said the general public and "those" fans because I wasn't talking about the fans here where you find mostly knowledgeable guys that don't get involved in that nonsense.

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    • 23
      yellow
      • Sep 2002
      • 66469

      #1097
      Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by Jmb4life
      That 08-09 Rockets team was legit. They actually had about 6 guys that averaged in double figures and that bench was defintely not worse than the Clips. Then again I'm not sure which year you're referring to.

      http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXteamsXXHOUXX2009.html
      Injuries

      He had microfracture surgery, and he artest and battier and yao rotated injures from the beginning of the year.

      They basically went to round 2 and he was out injured, but people claim he wasn't apart of the team and advancement.

      Then when he plays and advances with the Spurs people claim he wasn't really apart of it.

      It's ridiculous lengths like that, that make no sense. CP3 doesn't get smashed on like that.

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      • ojandpizza
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2011
        • 29807

        #1098
        Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by Jmb4life
        That 08-09 Rockets team was legit. They actually had about 6 guys that averaged in double figures and that bench was defintely not worse than the Clips. Then again I'm not sure which year you're referring to.

        http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXteamsXXHOUXX2009.html

        T Mac was hurt.. He didn't play in a single playoff game that year


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        • Jmb4life
          Rookie
          • Sep 2006
          • 201

          #1099
          Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by 23
          Injuries

          He had microfracture surgery, and he artest and battier and yao rotated injures from the beginning of the year.

          They basically went to round 2 and he was out injured, but people claim he wasn't apart of the team and advancement.

          Then when he plays and advances with the Spurs people claim he wasn't really apart of it.

          It's ridiculous lengths like that, that make no sense. CP3 doesn't get smashed on like that.
          Stephen A. made a good point on this subject regarding CP3. Point guards just aren't expected to carry a team like 2 guards, forwards and big guys.

          We looked at LeBron and unfairly criticized him when he fell short because he was a freak of nature and was able to impose his will on a game on a higher level than a pass first pg like Chris Paul.

          The same can be said for Tmac, Melo & KD. These guys were/are paid in large part to score the ball. Cp3 is not that guy. That's why he gets a pass. He's not a scorer. He's a playmaker who can score.

          Me personally, I don't expect CP3 to be the guy to carry a team through the playoffs like the others I mentioned. Its not his game.
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          • Jmb4life
            Rookie
            • Sep 2006
            • 201

            #1100
            Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by ojandpizza
            T Mac was hurt.. He didn't play in a single playoff game that year


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            Oooooh. Forgot that part.
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            • The 24th Letter
              ERA
              • Oct 2007
              • 39373

              #1101
              Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

              As big of a fan I am of Tracy McGrady....he did have some subpar performances to lend to some of the criticism he got....wasn't all without merit.....but it definitely got to the point it was overboard...

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              • ojandpizza
                Hall Of Fame
                • Apr 2011
                • 29807

                #1102
                Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                As big of a fan I am of Tracy McGrady....he did have some subpar performances to lend to some of the criticism he got....wasn't all without merit.....but it definitely got to the point it was overboard...

                I think this comes with any great player that doesn't have guys around him capable of making things easier for them though.. You look at LeBron and first time he got to a team that was good enough to expectedly win it all he did, Dirk once he landed a big man to negate his defense and rebounding he won it all, Garnett left a crap situation to a good team and he won it all..

                T-Mac just never stayed healthy enough to land in a good enough situation. I don't think his team was ever good enough to make a push out West.. Good enough for them to have won that Jazz series they lost, but not make any real noise.. Which was the problem LeBron, KG, Dirk, etc always had.

                Durant to me is really the only guy with the great talent and good enough team to win it all.. And he gets less criticism than any of those guys. It's funny how quick everyone will point at coach Brooks, there wasn't half that many people pointing the blame at Mike Brown or Flip Saunders.


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                • DJ_Solis
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2014
                  • 2216

                  #1103
                  Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                  McCollum is pretty skilled offensively. He's outplayed Afflalo by far in this series.


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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #1104
                    Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by ojandpizza
                    I think this comes with any great player that doesn't have guys around him capable of making things easier for them though.. You look at LeBron and first time he got to a team that was good enough to expectedly win it all he did, Dirk once he landed a big man to negate his defense and rebounding he won it all, Garnett left a crap situation to a good team and he won it all..

                    T-Mac just never stayed healthy enough to land in a good enough situation. I don't think his team was ever good enough to make a push out West.. Good enough for them to have won that Jazz series they lost, but not make any real noise.. Which was the problem LeBron, KG, Dirk, etc always had.

                    Durant to me is really the only guy with the great talent and good enough team to win it all.. And he gets less criticism than any of those guys. It's funny how quick everyone will point at coach Brooks, there wasn't half that many people pointing the blame at Mike Brown or Flip Saunders.


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                    Which goes back to my original point in that people are so quick to pin success and failures on one person but in the same breath, throw the "Basketball is a Team Game" card. There's a LOT more that goes into it and play a factor in certain instances than just laying it all at one player's feet.

                    Can't have it both ways even though people try to.
                    #RespectTheCulture

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                    • OkayC
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2013
                      • 1928

                      #1105
                      Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by ojandpizza
                      I think this comes with any great player that doesn't have guys around him capable of making things easier for them though.. You look at LeBron and first time he got to a team that was good enough to expectedly win it all he did, Dirk once he landed a big man to negate his defense and rebounding he won it all, Garnett left a crap situation to a good team and he won it all..

                      T-Mac just never stayed healthy enough to land in a good enough situation. I don't think his team was ever good enough to make a push out West.. Good enough for them to have won that Jazz series they lost, but not make any real noise.. Which was the problem LeBron, KG, Dirk, etc always had.

                      Durant to me is really the only guy with the great talent and good enough team to win it all.. And he gets less criticism than any of those guys. It's funny how quick everyone will point at coach Brooks, there wasn't half that many people pointing the blame at Mike Brown or Flip Saunders.


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                      Tho i see your point, i never thought mike brown was a good coach. I tried to tell people that and they didnt beleive me, and that was annoying. But it did fuel me to do my research and find out what makes a good xs and os coach in the nba, and now i feel like i have a pretty good idea. But yea flip and brown were never good in my eyes. The reason why people thought those guys were good at there jobs is why i send people to bballbreakdown now to learn why there not good lol.
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                      • King_B_Mack
                        All Star
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 24450

                        #1106
                        Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                        I think Tracy's "it feels good to get to the second round" quote is part of the reason he gets killed too. Mind you, I'm a huge T-Mac fan, so this isn't me talking about him. But if we're talking about Tracy McGrady jokes and people not getting smashed on as much as him about stuff like not getting out of the first round, it's a disservice to the discussion to not mention something like that at all.

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                        • DJ_Solis
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2014
                          • 2216

                          #1107
                          Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                          Portland should really be winning this game but they continue to make small mistakes costing them baskets. Lillard just fell asleep giving up a wide open layup.


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                          • 23
                            yellow
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 66469

                            #1108
                            Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                            I think Tracy's "it feels good to get to the second round" quote is part of the reason he gets killed too. Mind you, I'm a huge T-Mac fan, so this isn't me talking about him. But if we're talking about Tracy McGrady jokes and people not getting smashed on as much as him about stuff like not getting out of the first round, it's a disservice to the discussion to not mention something like that at all.
                            If that was the actual quote but to Packs point that's what people on the Internet do to troll and smash players.

                            Same thing even though 24th just tried to give credence to going overboard he still basically said Tmacs performances were subpar lol.

                            He actually has a higher playoff performance than regular season but check his teammates tho

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                            • 23
                              yellow
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 66469

                              #1109
                              Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by DJ_Solis
                              Portland should really be winning this game but they continue to make small mistakes costing them baskets. Lillard just fell asleep giving up a wide open layup.


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                              That's all star lillard... the dude so good you cant ignore him.

                              Leave him alone DJ

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                              • Jmb4life
                                Rookie
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 201

                                #1110
                                Re: Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                                This series is supposed to be over. Portland never stood a chance when Conley was healthy. That's the only reason Portland even won a game.
                                Acts 2:38- Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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