GM Role Play Thread

[cima]

I thought this might bring some interesting discussions to the forum. Someone posts some scenarios for decisions a team's GM will or may have to face in the coming future and how they would handle it if they were said GM. I'll start.

Scenario A: You're the Cavs GM and you just lost in the NBA Finals in 7 games to the favored Golden State Warriors. You did this while star Kevin Love was sidelined with an injury. Kevin Love is likely to field a few max-contract offers from various teams around the league. You were one game away from the title without him; do you attempt to re-sign him? Do you pay him max money? Or do you try to free up money and shore up your bench depth while slotting Thompson as the full-time starting 4?

Scenario B: You're the Chicago Bulls GM and you've suffered another early playoff exit. Where do you go from here? Do you attempt to rebuild? Do you fire TT? If you don't rebuild, what moves do you attempt to make to turn this team into a legit contender?

[Kovalev]

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I thought this might bring some interesting discussions to the forum. Someone posts some scenarios for decisions a team's GM will or may have to face in the coming future and how they would handle it if they were said GM. I'll start.

Scenario A: You're the Cavs GM and you just lost in the NBA Finals in 7 games to the favored Golden State Warriors. You did this while star Kevin Love was sidelined with an injury. Kevin Love is likely to field a few max-contract offers from various teams around the league. You were one game away from the title without him; do you attempt to re-sign him? Do you pay him max money? Or do you try to free up money and shore up your bench depth while slotting Thompson as the full-time starting 4?

Scenario B: You're the Chicago Bulls GM and you've suffered another early playoff exit. Where do you go from here? Do you attempt to rebuild? Do you fire TT? If you don't rebuild, what moves do you attempt to make to turn this team into a legit contender?

i think because of the cavs current cap issues its basically Love or hope they can sign and trade him for blake or LMA or something along those lines. he played well in game 1 and game 3, he also still put up 17-10 this year IIRC and thats with the worst shooting season of his career. if he shoots his normal 45 and makes 2 more shots a game ill gladly take 21-10 as a THIRD option on an NBA team. the Cavs dont really have anything to shore up on the bench, Shump and Delly are RFA, Smith has a player option, and Mozzy has a team option, and since they traded for Shump and Mozzy they have their bird rights (dont think either one ever hit FA). The Cavs are better off trading Thompson and Hayward for bench pieces and signing Shumpert, Delly and Mozgov for 3-5 years. you then have Irving, Delly, Shump, Lebron, Love, Mozzy as your top 6 for a while, you really just need small role players at that point.

[cima]

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i think because of the cavs current cap issues its basically Love or hope they can sign and trade him for blake or LMA or something along those lines. he played well in game 1 and game 3, he also still put up 17-10 this year IIRC and thats with the worst shooting season of his career. if he shoots his normal 45 and makes 2 more shots a game ill gladly take 21-10 as a THIRD option on an NBA team. the Cavs dont really have anything to shore up on the bench, Shump and Delly are RFA, Smith has a player option, and Mozzy has a team option, and since they traded for Shump and Mozzy they have their bird rights (dont think either one ever hit FA). The Cavs are better off trading Thompson and Hayward for bench pieces and signing Shumpert, Delly and Mozgov for 3-5 years. you then have Irving, Delly, Shump, Lebron, Love, Mozzy as your top 6 for a while, you really just need small role players at that point.

While he's shown he can be 20-10 on a bad team, he's not going to be that guy playing 3rd fiddle to James and Irving. Bosh proved that in MIA. At the same time though, he's relatively young and very valuable. So I think CLE likely overpays and keeps him. This is assuming he opts out in the first place.

[ojandpizza]

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Didn't even think about LMA being a free agent. If Love wants to walk I hope Cleveland throws all that money Aldridge's way..




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[Kovalev]

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While he's shown he can be 20-10 on a bad team, he's not going to be that guy playing 3rd fiddle to James and Irving. Bosh proved that in MIA. At the same time though, he's relatively young and very valuable. So I think CLE likely overpays and keeps him. This is assuming he opts out in the first place.

He damn near did it this year, he would have done it if he hit his career 45% instead of 43. is he just going to regress out of no where to a scrub player? thats not probable, unless his jump shot stops falling. he was also a 26-12 player on a bad team, not just 20-10. Love is better then Bosh was and is. not really a legit comparison.

[cima]

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He damn near did it this year, he would have done it if he hit his career 45% instead of 43. is he just going to regress out of no where to a scrub player? thats not probable, unless his jump shot stops falling. he was also a 26-12 player on a bad team, not just 20-10. Love is better then Bosh was and is. not really a legit comparison.

Ehh, it depends on what you value more. Bosh brings much better defense to the table than Love does. We need to see more Love with Bron because right now we only have one season of Love to compare and their PER and VORP are very similar.

[Kovalev]

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Ehh, it depends on what you value more. Bosh brings much better defense to the table than Love does. We need to see more Love with Bron because right now we only have one season of Love to compare and their PER and VORP are very similar.

and love has yet to be healthy with the Cavs, thats well documented. the Cavs also dont need love for Defense, they need him to be a spread 4, a scoring F/C which he is the perfect fit with AV/Mozzy/Thompson. Bosh also isn't anywhere near the rebounder love is, in 12 years Bosh has hit 10+ RPG just 3 times, Love has already done that every year outside of his rookie year and he's even put up 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15 RPG seasons. while bosh plays better defense, Loves rebounding makes up for that and then some while Love also spaces the floor, which the Cavs need with Mozgov/Varajeo in the middle.

[cima]

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and love has yet to be healthy with the Cavs, thats well documented. the Cavs also dont need love for Defense, they need him to be a spread 4, a scoring F/C which he is the perfect fit with AV/Mozzy/Thompson. Bosh also isn't anywhere near the rebounder love is, in 12 years Bosh has hit 10+ RPG just 3 times, Love has already done that every year outside of his rookie year and he's even put up 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15 RPG seasons. while bosh plays better defense, Loves rebounding makes up for that and then some while Love also spaces the floor, which the Cavs need with Mozgov/Varajeo in the middle.

Not really trying to turn this into a Love/Bosh thread. The original point was do you pay MAX for your 3rd guy or try to add more depth? I think everyone is going to return next year. Plus you know they'll have Varejeo for about 20-40 games before he gets hurt again. Their depth isn't really that bad as some people make it out to be, which is why they've been able to handle Love/Irving being hurt.

[Kovalev]

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Not really trying to turn this into a Love/Bosh thread. The original point was do you pay MAX for your 3rd guy or try to add more depth? I think everyone is going to return next year. Plus you know they'll have Varejeo for about 20-40 games before he gets hurt again. Their depth isn't really that bad as some people make it out to be, which is why they've been able to handle Love/Irving being hurt.

Well theres not really a debate to be had, pretty clear Love is better and more valueable to this cavs team. but like i said before, its not just about giving him the Max its about the Cap space, they wont have the space to replace what love brings to the team to begin with so your downgrading right off the bat by not re-signing him unless theres a S&T for a comparable player. any team in that situation resigns Love to a max deal.

[ojandpizza]

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Man that's not true.. For what they need to pay Love they could sign 3 guys.. It's not often one player is better than 3..

They could have kept Wiggins and been set with a 3rd option who could give you 20 points and also be a great two way player in a couple years.. He could be the next Butler/PG type.

Land a stretch 4 like Frye, Anderson, Morris, etc..

Grab a big like Dre Jordan, Al Jefferson, etc..

Obviously once they landed the NY guys and Mozgov the need to fill those other spots went away. But they can still end up losing Love and be better for it in the long run. Stretch 4's are becoming more and more abundant. Love is a great player, but when you give him a role that so limited he is definitely replaceable without it being some massive team downgrade.




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[ojandpizza]

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Well theres not really a debate to be had, pretty clear Love is better and more valueable to this cavs team. but like i said before, its not just about giving him the Max its about the Cap space, they wont have the space to replace what love brings to the team to begin with so your downgrading right off the bat by not re-signing him unless theres a S&T for a comparable player. any team in that situation resigns Love to a max deal.

Bosh was more valuable to those Heat teams than Love to this Cavs team.. By a big margin.. Their entire "small ball" gimmick and defensive system relied upon Bosh being able to hedge and defend against any team in the league. They won championships without needing to start a rim protector or low post scorer, his impact was massive..

Blatt as yet to figure out how to best utilize Love.. Love might end up being the more valuable guy to the Cavs system, but as of right now it isn't really close. He's just the 3rd guys who hits 3's and gets some boards who they awkwardly isolate in the post at times.

Kudos to Love for playing hard and sticking to his game all year long.. I hated watching Bosh play like a scrub at times when he wasn't getting his touches.


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[Kovalev]

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Man that's not true.. For what they need to pay Love they could sign 3 guys.. It's not often one player is better than 3..

They could have kept Wiggins and been set with a 3rd option who could give you 20 points and also be a great two way player in a couple years.. He could be the next Butler/PG type.

Land a stretch 4 like Frye, Anderson, Morris, etc..

Grab a big like Dre Jordan, Al Jefferson, etc..

Obviously once they landed the NY guys and Mozgov the need to fill those other spots went away. But they can still end up losing Love and be better for it in the long run. Stretch 4's are becoming more and more abundant. Love is a great player, but when you give him a role that so limited he is definitely replaceable without it being some massive team downgrade.




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its 100% true, its a total proven fact. you can only spend so much on FA when your already over the cap, not to mention the Cavs can go well over the Cap to give Love money since they have his bird rights. the Cavs with Loves 16 Mil will be somewhere between 80-90 Mil, the Cap right now is at 63 Mil and is only expected to make a small jump to about 67 Mil and the Lux tax will be about 82 Mil, they are already past the lux tax with Love. now if you take out his 16 Mil lets say they drop down to about 70-72 Mil, guess what, still very much over the Cap and limited on how much money they can spend. Please do some research.

Wiggins over Love? LOL Please.

Frye, Anderson or Morris? compared to Love? LOL

Love isn't just a stretch 4, he's a top 5 rebounder in the league that can drop 20 a game.

[Kovalev]

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Bosh was more valuable to those Heat teams than Love to this Cavs team.. By a big margin.. Their entire "small ball" gimmick and defensive system relied upon Bosh being able to hedge and defend against any team in the league. They won championships without needing to start a rim protector or low post scorer, his impact was massive..

Thats what happens when you have a Dwayne Wade and Lebron on your team, Bosh impact didnt get them farther than where they would have gone without him.

Blatt as yet to figure out how to best utilize Love.. Love might end up being the more valuable guy to the Cavs system, but as of right now it isn't really close. He's just the 3rd guys who hits 3's and gets some boards who they awkwardly isolate in the post at times.

Love hasn't been used right and he's without a doubt the more impactful player, helps when you have someone who can grab 10+ rebounds, drop 20+ points anytime and shoot 35% from 3 as a PF.

Kudos to Love for playing hard and sticking to his game all year long.. I hated watching Bosh play like a scrub at times when he wasn't getting his touches.


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Theres nothing that says Bosh was more important, sorry

[ojandpizza]

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its 100% true, its a total proven fact. you can only spend so much on FA when your already over the cap, not to mention the Cavs can go well over the Cap to give Love money since they have his bird rights. the Cavs with Loves 16 Mil will be somewhere between 80-90 Mil, the Cap right now is at 63 Mil and is only expected to make a small jump to about 67 Mil and the Lux tax will be about 82 Mil, they are already past the lux tax with Love. now if you take out his 16 Mil lets say they drop down to about 70-72 Mil, guess what, still very much over the Cap and limited on how much money they can spend. Please do some research.



Wiggins over Love? LOL Please.



Frye, Anderson or Morris? compared to Love? LOL



Love isn't just a stretch 4, he's a top 5 rebounder in the league that can drop 20 a game.

I'm not saying Wiggins over Love.. I'm saying Wiggins plus the cap to sign 3 other guys over Love..

It doesn't matter because the trade already happened anyways.

The problem is half the damn league can give you 20 points a night, and the Cavs rebound great without Love anyways. They just out rebounded a strong rebounding team in Chicago without Love. They were one of the best rebounding teams in the East last year without Love and LeBron. Thompson averages more rebounds per 36 than Love does, and he defends better, and gives them more possessions from his offensive boards..

Kevin Love is a great player. He's a HOF guy, he's an All-Star in today's league.. But the Cavs pay him that much money to stand in the corner right now.. And they don't lack in rebounding..

It's a little late now, because they've already built their team around Love.. Adding shooting guard defense and a rim protector because starting Kyrie and Love was hurting them.. But hypothetically they could have kept Wiggins and had money to sign like Ryand Anderson, DeAndre Jordan, etc..

Next years line up, Kyrie, Wiggins, Bron, Thompson, Jordan, stretch four Anderson off the bench..

That's a lot of money for one guy when you aren't even letting him be "that guy" he was in Minny. Blatt hasn't figured out a way to utilized him to his full strengths. If he stays that's great they've built this team around him being a part of it, if he leaves they definitely aren't doomed.. They can snag 2-3 guys and more than fill his void.


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[ojandpizza]

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Theres nothing that says Bosh was more important, sorry

But there is tons that says Love has been? I'd love to find someone else who agrees with that logic.


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