NBA lottery should reward the 7th and 8th seeds.......

[wwharton]

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Players don't "tank" but management can. And they can dictate certain players minutes as well. We've seen teams call it quits in the past and sit one of their better players for the remainder of the year once it was clear they weren't making it to the post season.

Also you think everyone on that team is going to give their 110% effort every night? Knowing that their team is basically built to lose. Knowing that they aren't playing for anything meaningful? Obviously some guys have too much pride and competitive spirit for that, but others are content by just making their millions for playing a game.

IDK why the league would need to redo an entire lottery system because one team decided they wanted to suck for awhile. Some people are acting like this is a major league-wide issue. We have one team that is clearly on board with tanking, why is that such a big deal. The Sixers suck really bad, and likely aren't going to get any better unless they get a top level player from the draft. So let's just give that player to another team, that makes sense, that'll fix the problem.


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To the bold, that's not the same as tanking though. No change in the lottery/draft system will move the needle one way or the other on how those players feel.

[ojandpizza]

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To the bold, that's not the same as tanking though. No change in the lottery/draft system will move the needle one way or the other on how those players feel.

No, but winning might.

He was saying that players don't tank, I was just saying that while players don't tank for a pick that their play can still suffer from upper management deciding to tank. Which is ultimately tanking without intentionally tanking lol.


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[wco81]

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NBA wanted the lottery so they can game the draft, strategically award the best players to certain teams.

Now that it has a fat TV contract and is thriving without the big market teams in NY, LA and Chicago dominating, the time for lottery is over.

It's true that the team struggled before Bird and Magic and making the superstars teams dominant helped the league survive. So helping Chicago and then the Kobe/Shaq Lakers teams win rings helped.

But now, there's more parity in the league and ratings were good last year. Plus a big new TV deal is coming on line.

So the league no longer needs to try to game the draft, though they may still try to game it for the Lakers in the next draft. But it would have a lot more credibility if it let the Lakers earn the top pick on their own, rather than you know the Lakers getting the pick by the "random draw" that nobody gets to see.

[ojandpizza]

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I don't believe in NBA conspiracy theories.


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[redsox4evur]

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I don't believe in NBA conspiracy theories.


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Yep James ended up in Cleveland of all places, instead of NYK or LAC or CHI. If there was any truth to those conspiracies James would've have been in NYC or LA or CHI to start his career. Or Wiggins/Parker going to Cleveland and Milwaukee respectively instead of BOS, NY, or LA.

[CMH]

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Players don't "tank" but management can. And they can dictate certain players minutes as well. We've seen teams call it quits in the past and sit one of their better players for the remainder of the year once it was clear they weren't making it to the post season.


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This I won't argue. I do agree that management will try to tank a team.

But the topic of discussion is the lottery being awarded to the 7th and 8th seeds. And that obviously led to the assumption that teams will tank from the 5th or 6th spot to end up with the 7th or 8th playoff position.

The problem with that is management has a very small hand in how a team is going to perform in March and April. By that time, they've lost their only chance to trade away their valuable pieces. If they make any cuts of major players on their team, then they would be openly curtailing their playoff chances as a sixth seed.

It also allows for a team to bleed dangerously close to missing the playoffs entirely. Any steps to lower team performance from a sixth seed to a seventh or eighth is likely going to be perpendicular to the boost in performance from a team on the bubble playing hard to make the playoffs (any signings or mandates to trim the rotation).

I simply can't think of any motivation for a player to risk missing the playoffs just to help the team land a lottery pick next season. Players get traded all the time. Two of the guys currently on the 13-man roster are likely losing their jobs to the draft picks being drafted. And you can't even guarantee it's the 12th and 13th men on that roster because they could be young players the organization is developing slowly.

I don't see the motivation to do it. At all.

[Speedy]

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I say scrap the lottery. If teams want to piss away a whole season and let attendance suffer in the hopes that their #1 draft pick will save them, let them do it.

I'm quoting this purely for the attendance point you mentioned.

It's a radical idea but I would tinker with the thought of adjusting revenue sharing to give playoff teams more $$ than lottery teams. If owners can tank away a season and still make a profit...something is wrong.

[wwharton]

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No, but winning might.

He was saying that players don't tank, I was just saying that while players don't tank for a pick that their play can still suffer from upper management deciding to tank. Which is ultimately tanking without intentionally tanking lol.


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But this is specifically about teams trying to tank. Your residual effects could be present on a team who's management decided to try to tank, but also on any other losing team. If the conversation is about why tanking is bad, I don't think it's fair to mention all of the psychological and secondary effects of losing in general.

[frank_sea]

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agreed with OP

[Teddy_Long]

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i just don't see a team such as boston being a legit contender again until they start losing bad. it's just that simple. i'm willing to concede the number 1 or 2 selections but how about 3-5? reward winning and not losing.

[lakers24]

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How about lock teams 6-14 in place by worse record and the top 5 all equally have a 20% chance at number 1. So only 500 number combos and each team has 100 so you draw 4 times to see who drafts 1-4 and whoever is left is 5th. Wouldn't solve tanking as that's part of the management side of the sport permanently but it'd make the lotto a bit more intriguing.

If you wanna kill tanking though, you'd have to kill restricted FA. Teams would have no choice but to build a competitive team that can compete if they draft a AD like talent. Imagine AD being able to bolt after 4 years like Shaq was able to do...

[702]

Re: NBA lottery should reward the 7th and 8th seeds.......

How about lock teams 6-14 in place by worse record and the top 5 all equally have a 20% chance at number 1. So only 500 number combos and each team has 100 so you draw 4 times to see who drafts 1-4 and whoever is left is 5th. Wouldn't solve tanking as that's part of the management side of the sport permanently but it'd make the lotto a bit more intriguing.

If you wanna kill tanking though, you'd have to kill restricted FA. Teams would have no choice but to build a competitive team that can compete if they draft a AD like talent. Imagine AD being able to bolt after 4 years like Shaq was able to do...

Massive tanking from whoever's projected to be 6th/7th.

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[ojandpizza]

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This whole topic just mimics the free throw debate. Why change the rules because 3 players can't make free throws. Why change the rules because one franchise wants to suck for a few seasons.

My only suggestion would be letting us see the lottery take place. Not because I think it's rigged, but just so people will shut up about thinking it's rigged.


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