ESPN Top 100 list

[ojandpizza]

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Kidd was fast in the open court, and a bigger stronger guard, he was hard to get in front of and contain when he had his momentum going. Kidd was like Barkley in a way, never the fastest at his potion but nearly impossible to cut off in the open court. I think Nash, and especially CP3, had a slight advantage on pure speed and quickness even in comparison to a younger Kidd. Chris Paul has them both beat with first step and change of pace speed.

Nash was so quick laterally in the half court setting. Deceptively fast, changed directions quicker, and stayed so low to the ground on his dribble. Nash's advantage was also his quick pull-up, you had the make the decision to play up on the shot and risk getting beat, or play back and risk giving him the jumper. Nash's speed/quickness is very compatible to the same way Steph uses his speed/quickness. Steph will never been the fastest guard in the league, but the way he utilizes his quickness makes him nearly impossible to stay in front of. Nash was the same in that regard.


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[ojandpizza]

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https://youtu.be/46RutBTe-as

I liked this.


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[ojandpizza]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953IPz0fJcA

I found this interesting. Makes you wonder considering that official statistic reviews are a relatively new thing.

[AlexBrady]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953IPz0fJcA

I found this interesting. Makes you wonder considering that official statistic reviews are a relatively new thing.

Yeah, assists have always been awarded in mysterious ways. The only stats that I trust are free throw percentage and (to a slightly lesser extent) three point percentage. Every other stat can be jerked around.

[ojandpizza]

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AB - your opinions on Earl Monroe, Dave Bing, Pete Maravich, Gail Goodrich, Hal Greer, Sam Jones, Bill Sharman, Lou Hudson, Jerry Sloan, Phil Chenier, Fred Brown??

Maybe include how you would rank them.


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[AlexBrady]

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AB - your opinions on Earl Monroe, Dave Bing, Pete Maravich, Gail Goodrich, Hal Greer, Sam Jones, Bill Sharman, Lou Hudson, Jerry Sloan, Phil Chenier, Fred Brown??

Maybe include how you would rank them.


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Earl Monroe- One of the most creative players ever. Even he didn't know what he would do next. Tons of realease points on his shots. Accurate jumpers out to 18 feet. Ok passer, he would pass if he couldn't find a good shot. Not much of a rebounder. Became a good defender when he arrived in New York but not a lock-down guy. Reliable clutch man.

Dave Bing- Quick baseline driver and shooter. 15-18 foot range on his jumpers. Good passer. Good rebounder. Not real strong. He was a really poor defender. I'm always weary of guys like this who put up big numbers on mediocre teams.

Pete Maravich- Highly creative scorer with 25 foot range on his shots. Strong driver with all the flips and release points. Didn't pass unless he could get an assist. Really selfish. Looked to leak out instead of rebound. His defense was among the worst in history.

Gail Goodrich- Odd body build. 6-1 but with really long arms. Lefty shooter. Range out to 20 feet. Had all the flips and hooks in the lane. Dead-eye shooter. Had a way of finding an open shot-slot amongst the trees which was really uncanny. Moved really well off the ball. Creative passer. An awful defender.

Hal Greer- Powerhouse guard. Automatic 15-18 foot jump-shooter. Drove and finished through heavy contact. Good passer. Strong rebounder. Tough defender, but not a lock-down guy. A great clutch player.

Sam Jones- One of the quickest shot releases in history. Loved to pull up on the break and bank in 15 footers. Used screens really well. Ok passer. Average defender. Always delivered in the clutch.

Bill Sharman- Automatic one-handed jump shooter. Strong, fearless driver. Quick. Good passer. Good rebounder. Always executed Auerbach's plans. One of the most tenacious defenders ever at the '2' spot.

Lou Hudson- Big guard. Strong driver and an automatic jump shooter. Good passer. Strong rebounder. An adequate defender. His late 60s Hawks were close to becoming a dynasty before Maravich wrecked the team.

Jerry Sloan- A power-playing small forward. Role player type. Set screens, filled lanes, took charges, rescued loose balls. Not much of a shooter. Adequate passer. Terrific rebounder. Lock-down defender. Could lose his cool on the court which took away from his effectiveness.

Phil Chenier- Hot shot guard. Accurate jump shooter. Could drive and finish. Selfish, so not much of a passer. Ok rebounder. Quick-handed defender, adequate.

Fred Brown- Incredible streak shooter with 25 foot range. Used screens efficiently. Only had eyes for the hoop, didn't really pass. Not much of a board man. His defense was really pitiful.

How I would roughly rank them:

1. Bill Sharman
2. Earl Monroe
3. Sam Jones
4. Hal Greer
5. Lou Hudson
6. Jerry Sloan (a much different role than the others here mind you)
7. Gail Goodrich
8. Dave Bing
9. Phil Chenier
10. Pete Maravich (I can't look past his poor defense and bad attitude)
11. Fred Brown

[ojandpizza]

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Earl Monroe- One of the most creative players ever. Even he didn't know what he would do next. Tons of realease points on his shots. Accurate jumpers out to 18 feet. Ok passer, he would pass if he couldn't find a good shot. Not much of a rebounder. Became a good defender when he arrived in New York but not a lock-down guy. Reliable clutch man.

Dave Bing- Quick baseline driver and shooter. 15-18 foot range on his jumpers. Good passer. Good rebounder. Not real strong. He was a really poor defender. I'm always weary of guys like this who put up big numbers on mediocre teams.

Pete Maravich- Highly creative scorer with 25 foot range on his shots. Strong driver with all the flips and release points. Didn't pass unless he could get an assist. Really selfish. Looked to leak out instead of rebound. His defense was among the worst in history.

Gail Goodrich- Odd body build. 6-1 but with really long arms. Lefty shooter. Range out to 20 feet. Had all the flips and hooks in the lane. Dead-eye shooter. Had a way of finding an open shot-slot amongst the trees which was really uncanny. Moved really well off the ball. Creative passer. An awful defender.

Hal Greer- Powerhouse guard. Automatic 15-18 foot jump-shooter. Drove and finished through heavy contact. Good passer. Strong rebounder. Tough defender, but not a lock-down guy. A great clutch player.

Sam Jones- One of the quickest shot releases in history. Loved to pull up on the break and bank in 15 footers. Used screens really well. Ok passer. Average defender. Always delivered in the clutch.

Bill Sharman- Automatic one-handed jump shooter. Strong, fearless driver. Quick. Good passer. Good rebounder. Always executed Auerbach's plans. One of the most tenacious defenders ever at the '2' spot.

Lou Hudson- Big guard. Strong driver and an automatic jump shooter. Good passer. Strong rebounder. An adequate defender. His late 60s Hawks were close to becoming a dynasty before Maravich wrecked the team.

Jerry Sloan- A power-playing small forward. Role player type. Set screens, filled lanes, took charges, rescued loose balls. Not much of a shooter. Adequate passer. Terrific rebounder. Lock-down defender. Could lose his cool on the court which took away from his effectiveness.

Phil Chenier- Hot shot guard. Accurate jump shooter. Could drive and finish. Selfish, so not much of a passer. Ok rebounder. Quick-handed defender, adequate.

Fred Brown- Incredible streak shooter with 25 foot range. Used screens efficiently. Only had eyes for the hoop, didn't really pass. Not much of a board man. His defense was really pitiful.

How I would roughly rank them:

1. Bill Sharman
2. Earl Monroe
3. Sam Jones
4. Hal Greer
5. Lou Hudson
6. Jerry Sloan (a much different role than the others here mind you)
7. Gail Goodrich
8. Dave Bing
9. Phil Chenier
10. Pete Maravich (I can't look past his poor defense and bad attitude)
11. Fred Brown

Any other SG's from that general time period that belong with that list?


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[AlexBrady]

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Any other SG's from that general time period that belong with that list?


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Oh, yes, Dick Barnett. Lefty, slithery driver and scored with hooks in the lane. Had an uncanny fallaway shot from mid-range. Good passer. Didn't really rebound but could play good defense. A complete player. I think he was better than the likes of Goodrich, Bing, Chenier, Maravich, and Brown.

[TheFinalEvent97]

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AlexBrady, if you haven't already whats your opinion on Wilt Chamberlain?

[AlexBrady]

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AlexBrady, if you haven't already whats your opinion on Wilt Chamberlain?

If Wilt wasn't the strongest NBA player ever then he is right behind Shaquille O'Neal. Incredible overwhelming power. When in the low post would use a finger roll and fadeaway bank shot to score. A terrific passer. Had outstanding quickness and powerful hands which made him a 4 space rebounder. A dominant defender both in low post and in help situations. Not a consistent competitor though which really hurt his teams in big games. A once in a lifetime player.

[ojandpizza]

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Should Connie Hawkins be on the list?

[ojandpizza]

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AB- in the list of players I asked you about previously, how would you rank Jo Jo White amongst them?

[AlexBrady]

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Should Connie Hawkins be on the list?

No way. Hawkins was an awful shooter and defender. What he could do was finish in a crowd because of his great hops and huge hands. A totally one dimensional player.

AB- in the list of players I asked you about previously, how would you rank Jo Jo White amongst them?

Jo Jo was an excellent pull up shooter and a good passer and rebounder. He could play adequate defense. He was better than Goodrich, Bing, Chenier, Maravich, and Brown.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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AB, who are you're(apologies for taking the thread off topic)but who would be your Top 5 Players born in DC and NY?

Reason I'm asking is because I was watching NBATV and they have a show on there called "City Game(?)" where they go to different cities like D.C., NYC, Chicago and talk about how the game is a big deal in those cities and then they ask certain legends(David Aldridge was asked about D.C.)who are the top guy from that city so I was curious to see who would make your cut.


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[AlexBrady]

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New York

Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Lenny Wilkens
Billy Cunningham
Dolph Schayes

D.C.

Kevin Durant
Elgin Baylor
Dave Bing
Adrian Dantley
Thurl Bailey