2016 NBA Offseason Thread

[DieHardYankee26]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Any brand talk excludes Jordan by default, nothing he did applies to anyone. They'll never do what he did with winning or without it so he needs to be taken off the table by default.

As far as your question, who's more profitable? Hakeem Olajuwon or Charles Barkley? It doesn't have anything to do with winning and just has to do with personality. And greatness (where winning is accounted for). Tons of guys have won, none of them are marketable because they won, they're marketable because they were the best players in the league. After LeBron and Steph the guy I see most on TV is Cliff ****ing Paul lol.

[Vni]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

For the record I wasn't making fun of Rose. But you can't ignore his injury history. Or how much thoses injuries hurt the game of an explosive point guard.

As for Durant people act like he has to choose between money and winning. He can have both. A winning situation and the money. And as King said, winning gets him a lot more money in the long run too.

[King_B_Mack]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Any brand talk excludes Jordan by default, nothing he did applies to anyone. They'll never do what he did with winning or without it so he needs to be taken off the table by default.

As far as your question, who's more profitable? Hakeem Olajuwon or Charles Barkley? It doesn't have anything to do with winning and just has to do with personality. And greatness (where winning is accounted for). Tons of guys have won, none of them are marketable because they won, they're marketable because they were the best players in the league. After LeBron and Steph the guy I see most on TV is Cliff ****ing Paul lol.

You can't take Jordan off the table just because of his success, because winning is apart of that.

As for Cliff Paul, as I said, you can make up for money left on the table on your playing contract with endorsement money, Chris Paul is proof of that. Blake Griffin is proof of that, but the longevity of a brand is tied into winning. Obviously personality plays into that as well, but this is keeping in mind that most of these guys that are playing for legacies like KD and actually deserving of those huge contracts have personalities, however if you're winning then more opportunities are opened to you and your brand. Steph Curry has been the best shooter in the NBA for a while now, but nobody cared about him or the Golden State Warriors because they weren't winning anything. Now that they're winning and he's winning, his brand is growing. If the Warriors somehow go back down the toilet starting next year to where they were and Steph's game declines, he'll still make a lot of money because he's a big name now sure, but he won't make the dollars that he'd have made off the court with consistent winning. You think Carmelo has helped in making his brand stronger with all the losing he's been doing in New York? Don't get it twisted, he's still making good money off the court, but you don't think he could be making even more in New York City winning titles?

[Vni]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Mike Conley is said to be interested by the Spurs and Dallas but the fact that Tony Parker has been the starter for San Antonio would make him reluctant to sign there. I guess if they were to sign Conley, Tony would end up on the bench.

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re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Tony already said he wouldn't mind moving if that's what Pop wanted.

No way he'd stand in the way of the Spurs future success.

[ProfessaPackMan]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

For the record I wasn't making fun of Rose. But you can't ignore his injury history. Or how much thoses injuries hurt the game of an explosive point guard.

As for Durant people act like he has to choose between money and winning. He can have both. A winning situation and the money. And as King said, winning gets him a lot more money in the long run too.

Nobody is acting like anything.

A question was asked about what WE would do if WE were in his shoes. Nobody got on Durant at all.

And I'm curious to see exactly how much he's missing out on without having a championship next to his name. If I had to wager how much, it's no more than maybe $10 Mil.

[wco81]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

As far as being a free agent, if I'm in KD's particular situation? I'm prioritizing winning...

No wife, no kids...probably one more big pay day ahead, not to mention the off court checks. He's likely in a position where he's set for life financially already with all that ahead.....man what a life lol. Seems like he has a genuine love for basketball and cares a lot about winning, I remember he talked about how he'd play for free if bball didn't pay...I honestly believe him. So to me, sacrificing some loot to accomplish some personal goals wouldn't be an issue.

If he makes $20 million less by leaving OKC, it's not that much compared to his shoe contract.

But he has this high-profile agency and looks like something of an entourage.

These people may egg him up to go for the money, since more of it might have a chance of falling to them.

[JODYE]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Gar acknowledges that the Bulls need to get 'younger and more athletic'.

The irony of him saying this while sitting next to one of the oldest and least athletic back court players in the draft lol

Gar logic.

[King_B_Mack]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Nobody is acting like anything.

A question was asked about what WE would do if WE were in his shoes. Nobody got on Durant at all.

And I'm curious to see exactly how much he's missing out on without having a championship next to his name. If I had to wager how much, it's no more than maybe $10 Mil.

You my boy Pack, but you can't be the dude to pose this question in the very next post you make after making this statement.

Obviously he has enough money(This is for the "doesn't he already have enough money?" Folks)with what he's getting paid from Nike but remember...there's nothing wrong with getting more money when people are willing to give it to you.

[ProfessaPackMan]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Fair enough, I'll take the L there.

[Armor and Sword]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Durant's gonna get a ton of money wherever he goes. He doesn't want to end up being that great player that never won a ring. I think his priority is winning.

Well he sure as **** failed with a 3-1 lead on Golden State. Why is no one talking about that? That series is as much on him as anyone else on that roster.

KD is a great player. But he blew it along with Westbrook and company. They had it and they blew it.

Just like Steph and company had the Cav's. But greatness prevailed and Lebron is the freaking man.

To me you have to get through Lebron. As always. Hell Lebron almost pulled it off the year before....with nothing to help him. Nothing.

If it is about truly winning there are only two teams KD should be looking at. His OKC Thunder who are built to win already, or coming down here to South Beach where we know how to win as well. Riley is also the man and the Heat culture is second to none.

How can Golden State even pull off a KD signing? With what cap space? And who do they ship out?

KD has what he needs in OKC to be frank....they just could not close it. Simple as that.

[DieHardYankee26]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

You can't take Jordan off the table just because of his success, because winning is apart of that.





As for Cliff Paul, as I said, you can make up for money left on the table on your playing contract with endorsement money, Chris Paul is proof of that. Blake Griffin is proof of that, but the longevity of a brand is tied into winning. Obviously personality plays into that as well, but this is keeping in mind that most of these guys that are playing for legacies like KD and actually deserving of those huge contracts have personalities, however if you're winning then more opportunities are opened to you and your brand. Steph Curry has been the best shooter in the NBA for a while now, but nobody cared about him or the Golden State Warriors because they weren't winning anything. Now that they're winning and he's winning, his brand is growing. If the Warriors somehow go back down the toilet starting next year to where they were and Steph's game declines, he'll still make a lot of money because he's a big name now sure, but he won't make the dollars that he'd have made off the court with consistent winning. You think Carmelo has helped in making his brand stronger with all the losing he's been doing in New York? Don't get it twisted, he's still making good money off the court, but you don't think he could be making even more in New York City winning titles?

You have to remove Jordan because if he's on the list then no one else is on it. When you say longevity of a brand, his is the only one that really stands out to me. If you mean a brand on that level, who else qualifies at all?

I just mean for the rest of the universe. Jordan is Jordan. LeBron is LeBron. No player has a brand that lasts other than Jordan. Nobody buys Magic Johnson shoes or Larry Bird merch. That's why I said it has nothing to do with winning, it doesn't. Jordan is Jordan because he's Jordan not because he's won, more people have won and no one can do what he did. He's so far an outlier that including him basically changes the meaning of the conversation. If Melo wins a championship, his brand I don't think would be greatly affected. Steph got big when they started winning, but also when he started balling on a transcendent level. Klay isn't a brand, he wins too. It's way more about being a star, which is why I brought up Barkley and Olajuwon. Charles is on TV and being talked about everyday, his brand is big because he's a legend and his personality is big.

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re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Well he sure as **** failed with a 3-1 lead on Golden State. Why is no one talking about that? That series is as much on him as anyone else on that roster.

KD is a great player. But he blew it along with Westbrook and company. They had it and they blew it.

Just like Steph and company had the Cav's. But greatness prevailed and Lebron is the freaking man.

To me you have to get through Lebron. As always. Hell Lebron almost pulled it off the year before....with nothing to help him. Nothing.

If it is about truly winning there are only two teams KD should be looking at. His OKC Thunder who are built to win already, or coming down here to South Beach where we know how to win as well. Riley is also the man and the Heat culture is second to none.

How can Golden State even pull off a KD signing? With what cap space? And who do they ship out?

KD has what he needs in OKC to be frank....they just could not close it. Simple as that.

Oklahoma City aint winning jack.

They just got rid of their best shot blocker for Oladipo who people will swear is as sweet as lightning but couldn't propel the magic to anything special.

Then you discount factors in CLE's win like how GS ended up missing players (doesnt matter who was at fault).

...then slap us with your coup de gra and throw in the "might as well come with us to south beach"?

[jeremym480]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

How can Golden State even pull off a KD signing? With what cap space? And who do they ship out?

KD has what he needs in OKC to be frank....they just could not close it. Simple as that.

in order to get Durant GS would likely have to do the following:

Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green are likely untouchable, but the Warriors do have decisions to make on the value of cap space vs. their own free agents, and key rotational players Andre Iguodala and Andrew Bogut.

Golden State, currently with no cap space, would need to create room to land Durant.

When the Warriors meet with Durant, they will show him how room will be created and what the team will look like now and in the future.

The moves to fit Durant:

1. Renounce the unrestricted free-agent holds of Marreese Speights, Leandro Barbosa, Ian Clark, James McAdoo, Brandon Rush and Anderson Varejao.

2. Withdraw the qualifying offers and renounce the cap holds of Harrison Barnes and Festus Ezeli.

3. Trade Bogut’s contract to a team with cap space.

The moves would leave Golden State with $26.6 million in cap space to sign Durant to a max contract.

However, doing so would only leave the Warriors with the minimum and room mid-level ($2.9 million) to fill out their roster.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/front-office-insider--kevin-durant-s-options-184021631.html

[ojandpizza]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I actually like the move OKC made, and I think Adam's was their better defender by a good margin. Both at the rim and on the hedge. Ibaka might be better at blocking shots simply because he's athletic, but everything about Adam's defense was stronger in this years playoffs IMO.

Hopefully with Oladipo they no longer have to worry about offense/defense situational subs. He should be able to give them a little of both, less of a liability than playing Roberson 30+ minutes just for some average defense.

Waiters is now expendable, possibly Roberson too, they might not be done making moves. If Durant stays there will be a market for other free agents, wouldn't completely rule out Biyombo going there either.


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