2016 NBA Offseason Thread

[DieHardYankee26]

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This will help his legacy. If they do what they're supposed to do, 3 championships in 4 years, a 3 peat, god forbid 4 for 4, he's going to be remembered as a piece of one of the greatest dynasties in modern sports history.

I originally was upset at him for leaving a "winning" situation as well but they hadn't won, and OKC sucks. Period. They made a Finals appearance and traded the 3rd best player so they didn't have to pay him. They had the best regular season team of all time on the ropes 3-1, blew it, and they traded the 3rd best player again so they didn't have to pay him.

People saying they had to move Ibaka for the future of the franchise...i don't necessarily disagree with the trade if they feel this way, but this is a decision they made independent of their superstar. You don't do that. When you have 2 of the best 5 players in the game, you make moves for this season, not to avoid the ****ing luxury tax. It makes me sick thinking about it man. NBA would've had to ban Dolan from the league, this dude would've been trying to figure out ways to sign all 3 to lifetime deals and these guys just blew the most fortuitous franchise situation in years.

Moving to a new city, **** team with a superstar already included. We suck, get Westbrook. Do it again, get Harden and they threw it all away. I couldn't be mad at Durant if I tried lol, im trying to figure out why these guys even own a team.

[King_B_Mack]

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So then we're finally all in agreement that the Warriors were/are a great team then? Cause a month ago they were still fluke champions who only won a title because every team they played in the playoffs were injured and we saw what happened when they "played a healthy Cavs team." Some people were talking like if it wasn't for injuries this year the Clippers would have beat them if they played. Steph wasn't the MVP to quite a few from about game 4 of the Western Conference finals until the end of the Finals. 73 don't mean a thing without the ring and all that but suddenly they were "already a stacked team" when word gets out Durant is going there. Winning 73 regular season games makes the Warriors a stacked team, but LeBron's Cavs that won 66 games is still to this day somehow trash everybody on it but LeBron.


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[DieHardYankee26]

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Also, to the people bringing up old tweets, a reddit comment just hit me like a ton of bricks:

Someone posted him saying last year how he's the kind of guy who would love to stick it out in one jersey and have it retired in OKC, of course everyone is giving him ****. But one of the top comments:

"I told my girlfriend in 2015 that I loved her and wanted to marry her. In 2016 she's my ex. Things change."

Put in perspective, this dude was told he had to make a decision based on millions of dollars and for the next 10 years of his life. You don't give a **** what you said in a tweet from 2010 when the contract options are in front of you.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Hey, you leave Bron out of this! He had to trudge through the snow wearing newspapers for shoes with the Cavs on his back going uphill both ways.

[Teddy_Long]

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this will hurt durant legacy unless he's the same durant he was with the thunder, meaning averaging 25 points or so. the competition and his new teammates are going to dictate his numbers. i see him averaging 15 points a game. and that's not a good thing. lebron had to be lebron in miami, 27 points a game or more. he was not a high paid role player. that's what i see could happen with golden state.

[roadman]

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A break in the action:

According to cleveland.com, Delly will not be matched by the Cavs. Welcome to Milwaukee, Delly, if true.

Wade is meeting with the Bucks on Wednesday in NY.

Pros and cons of Wade coming to Milwaukee:

Pros:

A. He will put rear ends in the seats while the new arena is being built. This also ends the aw, Milwaukee is a crap place to play, no FA's will come here rhetoric with Monroe coming here last season.

B. If healthy, a 20 pt scorer the Bucks would welcome.

C. Someone that can drive to the hoop and hit both free throws.

D. Wade can teach the young Bucks how to win.

E. Close to home.

F. Former Marquette player.

G. The Bucks have added two long range shooters in FA, plus Giannis and Parker are shooting more 3's.

Cons

A. Age, ie injuries, etc....

B. Expensive for his age and injuries

C. Taking away touches from the future stars, especially Middleton.

D. Would need to trade Monroe to sign Wade, which isn't a real con.


I still feel Wade signs with the Heat.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Not sure if this works, but hypothetically speaking, would a sign-and-trade work?

I mean can Cavs stack Shump's contract with their $10.5 million trade exception? (Mind you I actually hope this is not the case. I'd love to see D-Wade team up with Bron again but not in return for Shump and that crappy contract lol)

Not sure if this is still true or not, but per the NBA Salary Cap FAQ, in regards to a sign-and-trade:

"Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) at the conclusion of the trade. A team above the apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the apron."

Given the Cavs' cap scenario, a sign-and-trade would only work if Wade signs a 3 year deal (with no opt out), is traded for Love (or a package with the same cap numbers as Love), and then Wade and LeBron could only combine to make roughly $38 million next year (if I'm doing the math right). It would require a large pay cut from one or both of them to pull it off, and it doesn't really sound like Wade is interested in taking a pay cut again at this point in his career.

[ojandpizza]

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So then we're finally all in agreement that the Warriors were/are a great team then? Cause a month ago they were still fluke champions who only won a title because every team they played in the playoffs were injured and we saw what happened when they "played a healthy Cavs team." Some people were talking like if it wasn't for injuries this year the Clippers would have beat them if they played. Steph wasn't the MVP to quite a few from about game 4 of the Western Conference finals until the end of the Finals. 73 don't mean a thing without the ring and all that but suddenly they were "already a stacked team" when word gets out Durant is going there. Winning 73 regular season games makes the Warriors a stacked team, but LeBron's Cavs that won 66 games is still to this day somehow trash everybody on it but LeBron.


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Except cima was the only person saying that stuff lol.


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[The 24th Letter]

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Who worth discussing basketball with thought the 73-9 Warriors weren't a great team? KD's decision doesnt even need all this rationalization man , lol

[ojandpizza]

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S. 73 don't mean a thing without the ring and all that but suddenly they were "already a stacked team" when word gets out Durant is going there. Winning 73 regular season games makes the Warriors a stacked team, but LeBron's Cavs that won 66 games is still to this day somehow trash everybody on it but LeBron.


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Nobody is saying that team is trash though, nobody. The difference is that team isn't winning 66 games without LeBron, the Warriors did in fact win 73 without KD.

You're going to the extreme here. They just made back to back finals and have the 2 time MVP, coach of the year, and just won 73 games.. You're saying that isn't a stacked team because they didn't get the ring?


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[extremeskins04]

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Who worth discussing basketball with thought the 73-9 Warriors weren't a great team? KD's decision doesnt even need all this rationalization man , lol

Folks will either love it or hate it, I can see b9th sides...

I'm one of those guys that's more towards hating it but that's just me looking at it from my views which alot of folks on here disagree with.

I like Durant, but I just think that if it were me, I would rather have faced the Warriors and beat them with another team then just joining them and getting an easy ring.

Granted it's not 100% that he'll get a ring with the Warriors, but it's like 98%

[ojandpizza]

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I just feel like if he was with the Spurs, Clippers or another team and got a ring, that would be more of an "achievement" for his "legacy" in my opinion.

But again, it's just my opinion. I could care less if he stayed loyal to OKC, they haven't done much for him but damn atleast go to a team where when you DO win, they're not like "oh he won a ring with the Warriors, meh".
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I guess, in a way, I sorta feel this way as well. Not even so much that he joined the 73 win club, but that he joined the team that just beat and embarrassed him.

Seeing him join the Spurs/Clips would likely get him the same results, with a bigger/more vital role, and let him get his revenge on the guys he needed to beat.

From my perspective, his legacy would build bigger if he took a team like LAC or SAS and pushed them over the top rather than the team that's already on the top but gives them just one more win.

But like I said earlier, KD probably doesn't care about any of that stuff. And if he doesn't then good for him. He definitely went where he's got the best shot at some rings.



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[Teddy_Long]

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ojand, can u imagine how people would react had lebron join a squad where he could literally average 14 points a game and still win the nba title easily? lol

[ProfessaPackMan]

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What happens if he doesn't win a ring there?

What are folks saying then?

[extremeskins04]

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What happens if he doesn't win a ring there?

What are folks saying then?

One of the biggest chokers ever? I don't know lol.

Like he and the Warriors SHOULD win a ring, this only helps their team. Having KD on it doesn't in no way hurt the team.