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  • Armor and Sword
    The Lama
    • Sep 2010
    • 21798

    #3631
    re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by Rocky
    I don't think many here are saying Durant should've stayed out of loyalty. I think most know by now that's misguided.

    Where the majority of criticism comes is from the fact that he left a contender to join a team that delivered him a crushing yet narrow defeat. Whether you think that's not soft or you think the criticsm is misguided...it's terrible optics.

    As far as him having to score 30 or elevate his game, you can say the same thing about Lebron, Curry, Kobe, Dirk, a young Duncan, Shaq, MJ, or every other single offensive superstar on the biggest stage. The fact of the matter was that the management that "failed him" put him right there in a position to win and they didn't get it done. You can't have it both ways. Don't put all the blame on management for the team not getting it done. Did the OKC organization make some mistakes? Sure, letting Harden go was egregious in hindsight (even though I was in the NBA forum posting regularly then defending Harden when he was getting blasted for his 2012 Finals performance). Keeping Coach Brooks for so long was definitely a mistake but at the end of the day Durant and Westbrook were right there on the cusp down the stretch as well.

    I personally don't blame Durant for leaving a good situation for a better one, but this is competition. We like to see competitors overcome obstacles and succeed especially when they are so close.
    Great post. And this is not like Lebron's jump.....not in the least bit. He left a heck of a team to join a slightly better one. They could not seal it. Up 3-1 and they melted down. Learn from that, come back and finish the job. How sweet that could have been for KD professionally and his so called growth as a man.

    On a simple view of competition he quit. Quit on his team, on the city, on the fans.

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    • ProfessaPackMan
      Bamma
      • Mar 2008
      • 63852

      #3632
      2016 Offseason Thread

      The same people preaching that "competition" stuff are the same ones calling these players "stat padding losers" when they can't get over the hump at all in their career, especially nowadays.

      These arguments get sillier and sillier everytime I read them.

      "His so called growth as a man"? Are you serious with that mess right now? Fans feel themselves a little too much when it comes to professional athletes, lol.
      #RespectTheCulture

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      • DieHardYankee26
        BING BONG
        • Feb 2008
        • 10178

        #3633
        re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

        Can we not force me to go OJ in LeBron mode on all of these posts? Some if this is absurd.

        He didn't quit on anyone. LeBron left a heck of a team to join a slightly better one? That must be a joke. He didn't quit on the team, he was still on the floor in game 7 when the series ended. He couldn't quit on that team because the front office just traded it's 3rd best player less than a month ago.

        He didn't quit on the city, he gave those people however many years of his life. He donated a million dollars to tornado relief. Those fans had nothing to cheer for before he got there, and had a great team to watch for almost a decade, I haven't had that as a Knicks fan my whole life. This is just so hyperbolic, and for anyone criticism to come when trying to big up LeBron at the same time is absolute insanity. And I like LeBron and don't like KD, but you guys are trying too hard.
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        • jeremym480
          Speak it into existence
          • Oct 2008
          • 18198

          #3634
          re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by Armor and Sword
          Great post. And this is not like Lebron's jump.....not in the least bit. He left a heck of a team to join a slightly better one. They could not seal it. Up 3-1 and they melted down. Learn from that, come back and finish the job. How sweet that could have been for KD professionally and his so called growth as a man.

          On a simple view of competition he quit. Quit on his team, on the city, on the fans.

          Weak Sauce.
          The irony of a Heat fan posting this is fascinating.
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          • dsallupinyaarea
            Rookie
            • Jan 2009
            • 2764

            #3635
            re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
            Who do the Celtics have that's equal to Buss or Riley since that's who we're talking about?

            Bird Rights don't mean **** because as we've seen, players aren't afraid to bypass that extra year to go to a city they want to be in.

            That's my point. You get him into your program for a year to jump in front of those guys.


            Ultimately, what other path do they have to getting a top 5 player? All of the options are low percentage. At least with this one, you actually get the guy instead of hoping future assets pan out.


            They've been at this for 4 years and haven't made it out of the 1st round, in the east. At what point does a long term plan start to take too long?
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            • extremeskins04
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              • Aug 2010
              • 3868

              #3636
              re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

              As a Celtics fan there's no way I'm giving up the farm for RW when he may leave after 1 year. Not a chance.

              In order for the Celtics to get RW, they would need to give up:

              - Brooklyn pick
              - Celtics pick
              - Marcus Smart
              - Isaiah Thomas
              - a prospect

              No way. And I bet that's what OKC wants, and they might even want more from us. I think there was a mention of Jae Crowder in there too.
              Last edited by extremeskins04; 07-05-2016, 10:36 AM.

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              • Yeah...THAT Guy
                Once in a Lifetime Memory
                • Dec 2006
                • 17294

                #3637
                re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                Wade has cancelled his meeting with the Bucks.
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                • DieHardYankee26
                  BING BONG
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 10178

                  #3638
                  re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                  "Oh I got a meeting today. Word? Where it's at? Milwaukee? Nah b, go ahead and cancel that. They won't even believe im considering Wisconsin."

                  How I assume D Wade woke up this morning, according to David Aldridge, the meeting is cancelled
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                  I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                  In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                  The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                  • dsallupinyaarea
                    Rookie
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 2764

                    #3639
                    re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                    The same people preaching that "competition" stuff are the same ones calling these players "stat padding losers" when they can't get over the hump at all in their career, especially nowadays.

                    These arguments get sillier and sillier everytime I read them.

                    "His so called growth as a man"? Are you serious with that mess right now? Fans feel themselves a little too much when it comes to professional athletes, lol.

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                    • CMH
                      Making you famous
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 26203

                      #3640
                      re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                      Originally posted by Rocky
                      I personally don't blame Durant for leaving a good situation for a better one, but this is competition. We like to see competitors overcome obstacles and succeed especially when they are so close.
                      And this is why we won't see eye-to-eye on this because rivalries are created by fans, not the players.

                      He saw the obstacle and he decided it was better to be the obstacle.
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                      • Fresh Tendrils
                        Strike Hard and Fade Away
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 36131

                        #3641
                        re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by jeremym480
                        The irony of a Heat fan posting this is fascinating.
                        My reaction to 75% of the comments in this thread after KD's news broke:



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                        • RedSceptile
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 3680

                          #3642
                          re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                          People acting like him leaving after being there for damn near a decade is some huge offense. You all need to get over yourselves. He's a grown *** men like you all who at one point decided enough is enough.

                          Also man Harrison Barnes better pull a James Harden and put up big numbers (and hopefully play Defense)

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                          • extremeskins04
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                            • Aug 2010
                            • 3868

                            #3643
                            re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by RedSceptile
                            People acting like him leaving after being there for damn near a decade is some huge offense. You all need to get over yourselves. He's a grown *** men like you all who at one point decided enough is enough.

                            Also man Harrison Barnes better pull a James Harden and put up big numbers (and hopefully play Defense)
                            I think there are more people that didn't care about his loyalty to OKC. It was more of which team he went to.

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #3644
                              re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea
                              That's my point. You get him into your program for a year to jump in front of those guys.


                              Ultimately, what other path do they have to getting a top 5 player? All of the options are low percentage. At least with this one, you actually get the guy instead of hoping future assets pan out.


                              They've been at this for 4 years and haven't made it out of the 1st round, in the east. At what point does a long term plan start to take too long?
                              Free Agency, especially looking at who will be Unrestricted next year.

                              They just pulled a Top 3-5 big man this year(the same one KD allegedly tried to get to join him in OKC)so who's to say they can't pull another big time FA next year WITHOUT giving up anything especially if they increase their win total again?

                              If they were a bad team that's been bad for years, I could see your point.
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                              • DieHardYankee26
                                BING BONG
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 10178

                                #3645
                                re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                                Im trying to figure out how my guy Sam Hinkie (didn't give a **** about the dude 6 months ago, now I love him) got fired in the name of entertainment, but every time I ask why the NBA has max contracts I get answers like so there's more money for everyone else...so? Am i entertained by Delly making 10 mil a year? Honestly i might be but thats beside the point. We pay to see LeBron, he should be getting 50% of the cap. If the Lakers had offered KD a 10 year 500 mil cotract, does he still go to GS? And you could even keep the cap. "You can't tie that much of your cap into one player." You can in the sport where one player can change your whole team.
                                Originally posted by G Perico
                                If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                                I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                                In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                                The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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