2016 NBA Offseason Thread

[JJJones135]

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As a Side note, not to get of topic but it should be mentioned. It's nice to have the sports world, the members of the operation sports community, and the excellent discussions to provide an escape from al, the **** that's going on in the world right now. So thank you all.

Back on topic, I hope Festus does well in Portland, he needs to really work on his offensive game but I think he can be a nice role player there.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Cuz we know how that worked out when they did it to James Har....

"Russell, here's your contract offer. We think you're a valuable piece of this franchise. If you dont accept within an hour we will have to trade you."

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What would you do though if you were Presti?

[King_B_Mack]

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I think you have to do it before the season because that's when you'll get the most return. If he's refusing to sign an extension you have to move him. You can't take the risk that he's bailing at the end of the year and you've lost both your star players with nothing to show for it. A team is more likely to give you something good in a trade with a full season to try to convince him to sign with them than someone giving up good pieces in February hoping to convince him by before the end of the season.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Cuz we know how that worked out when they did it to James Har....

well yeah, it's just like KD is out on the DNP list, but he aint really coming back.

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[23]

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I think you have to do it before the season because that's when you'll get the most return. If he's refusing to sign an extension you have to move him. You can't take the risk that he's bailing at the end of the year and you've lost both your star players with nothing to show for it. A team is more likely to give you something good in a trade with a full season to try to convince him to sign with them than someone giving up good pieces in February hoping to convince him by before the end of the season.


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Why should he miss out on his extra money next season just to calm down their panic?

They're asking him to do something against his better judgement.


..but I don't think the extension is the end all be all. Like Pack said, unless he says he won't be back.

I just think it might be too late to run for the border. Being cheap in the past just bit them.

[DieHardYankee26]

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What would you do though if you were Presti?

I think they were ****ed and caught with their pants down to a degree when KD left. Now that he's gone, you've got Russ on a 1 year expiring and they're trying to start a full on rebuild for him. No one that thinks they can sign him to an extension will use the resources to trade for him because why bother? So they would have to find someone who either just wants to take a chance or take less than what they think is his value. Just a bad place to be.

I think their best bet if they really want to trade him is to beg Boston for whatever they're willing to part with and just take the L. But me personally and this is probably stupid, I think you hold on to him. If they aren't willing to risk a few down years for the chance to keep Russ there then they should just move the franchise. At some point you have to be willing to take a risk, and no free agent is ever going to want to sign there if they so clearly can't hold on to anyone. Whys there a team there in the first place if this is how they're going to run it? Acting from a place of fear is not going to get them anywhere, at least show people you tried.

Other option I dont know much about but I've seen from Nate Duncan, is to offer Russ an extension just for an extra year, bump up his pay, take him to the end of his contract at the 10 year mark, and try again.

[areobee401]

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I think they were ****ed and caught with their pants down to a degree when KD left. Now that he's gone, you've got Russ on a 1 year expiring and they're trying to start a full on rebuild for him. No one that thinks they can sign him to an extension will use the resources to trade for him because why bother? So they would have to find someone who either just wants to take a chance or take less than what they think is his value. Just a bad place to be.

I think their best bet if they really want to trade him is to beg Boston for whatever they're willing to part with and just take the L. But me personally and this is probably stupid, I think you hold on to him. If they aren't willing to risk a few down years for the chance to keep Russ there then they should just move the franchise. At some point you have to be willing to take a risk, and no free agent is ever going to want to sign there if they so clearly can't hold on to anyone. Whys there a team there in the first place if this is how they're going to run it? Acting from a place of fear is not going to get them anywhere, at least show people you tried.

RJ Hunter, James Young, 2 2017 2nd round picks, and a 2019 1st round pick. Let's make a deal.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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You just can't lose both those guys for nothing. I understood seeing it through with Durant but you just can't do it twice.


Teams would pay more for Russ now when they can get 82 games, plus a camp to learn the system, then they will if they get him in February for 30 games.

[DieHardYankee26]

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We're going to have to move that 1st round pick up to this year. Presti wants the player developed and ready to be traded by 2019.

[areobee401]

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I wonder if OKC ownership is worried about fan reaction if they were to trade Russ so soon after losing out on KD.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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He's going to more than likely get moved for future 1st rd picks and some young players(ones with high upside on low contracts), which seems to be the typical starting point for a team trying to acquire an elite player via trade.

Do we really think that same package won't get offered in February? Mind you, he's only going to have certain teams he'll probably want to play for so from that standpoint, if you're Presti, you already know what to look for IF he does tell you he doesn't plan to come back.

It's easy for US to assume he's not but that FO has access to more info than we do. I will say this one is a bit weird, because we've never seen a team lose prime, elite MVP Caliber players in back to back years before.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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He's going to more than likely get moved for future 1st rd picks and some young players(ones with high upside on low contracts), which seems to be the typical starting point for a team trying to acquire an elite player via trade.

Do we really think that same package won't get offered in February? Mind you, he's only going to have certain teams he'll probably want to play for so from that standpoint, if you're Presti, you already know what to look for IF he does tell you he doesn't plan to come back.

It's easy for US to assume he's not but that FO has access to more info than we do.

If I'm running a team, my offer definitely changes. Simply because what I'm getting in return is less valuable. 82 games > 30ish games. Plus trying to implement a high usage player in the middle of February with no practice time... hell no.

[redsox4evur]

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I could see that offer not being there. It's out there that Russ wants to go LA and seems dead set it on it. So why are you trading away a young high caliber player and multiple first round picks for a rental player that you know is going to bolt in the offseason?

For a Celts trade I would give up Rozier, our first in 2017 (which would most likely be a late first with the additions of Horford and RWB) and one of our 3 picks in 2019 (LAC, Mem, or BOS).

[DieHardYankee26]

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I dont even know if they can get a decent offer now. He's on the last year. Who is in a place where they have the assets to trade for him, and would actually do it? Even just the first part, Boston, LA, neither of them seem to want to part with their picks, especially the Lakers who probably think they can sign him in the offseason. What are even OKC's options for a trade?