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  • Yeah...THAT Guy
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    • Dec 2006
    • 17294

    #5701
    Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by Vni
    Why do the bulls do it though ? Ain't Snell clearly the better player here ?

    I think MCW is better, and they need a backup PG, but his awful shooting is a terrible fit with the other guards on their roster.


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    • King_B_Mack
      All Star
      • Jan 2009
      • 24450

      #5702
      Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

      Originally posted by Vni
      Why do the bulls do it though ? Ain't Snell clearly the better player here ?
      MCW is definitely the better player. They both are in desperate need of a change of scenery. There's a lot of guards on the roster right now. Somebody is likely getting moved at the deadline as filler in a trade or GarPax is just throwing **** on the wall and hoping it sticks. Dougie and Niko are going to have to step it up big time shooting, but we already knew that. Snell has been awful and such a huge disappointment where he'd show flashes of being exactly what the team needs coming off the bench in one game or two out of every 35 games or so. Maybe being in Milwaukee will help him finally find some consistency in that.

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      • DJ_Solis
        MVP
        • Jan 2014
        • 2216

        #5703
        Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

        Always had a soft spot for MCW since I like big point guards but damn, I'm not sure if theres any team out there that would be a worse fit for him. I'm still somewhat optimistic that they'll find some way to work it out though.
        Side note but y'all remember when MCW had damn near a quadruple double in his debut against Bron and the Heat? At least we've seen he has potential.


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        • Hassan Darkside
          We Here
          • Sep 2003
          • 7561

          #5704
          Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by DJ_Solis
          Side note but y'all remember when MCW had damn near a quadruple double in his debut against Bron and the Heat? At least we've seen he had potential.
          Fixed that for you.

          Might be a good trade just from a value perspective. IIRC, Snell started losing minutes to Justin Holiday (who's now in NY) late last season. Not sure if they could have got anything better for him.
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          • Mr.Ace
            Rookie
            • Oct 2008
            • 121

            #5705
            Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by King_B_Mack
            MCW is definitely the better player. They both are in desperate need of a change of scenery. There's a lot of guards on the roster right now. Somebody is likely getting moved at the deadline as filler in a trade or GarPax is just throwing **** on the wall and hoping it sticks. Dougie and Niko are going to have to step it up big time shooting, but we already knew that. Snell has been awful and such a huge disappointment where he'd show flashes of being exactly what the team needs coming off the bench in one game or two out of every 35 games or so. Maybe being in Milwaukee will help him finally find some consistency in that.
            One of the biggest frauds to win RoY ever... right up there with Mike Miller

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            • CMH
              Making you famous
              • Oct 2002
              • 26203

              #5706
              Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

              Originally posted by Mr.Ace
              One of the biggest frauds to win RoY ever... right up there with Mike Miller
              Nah Mike Miller was balling before his injuries.
              "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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              • Mr.Ace
                Rookie
                • Oct 2008
                • 121

                #5707
                Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by CMH
                Nah Mike Miller was balling before his injuries.
                Mike Miller had a nice little career but he was pretty bad his rookie year... just that rookie class was so bad...

                He won on an 11.9 ppg and 43% shooting... Mike really only had one great season when he was 26

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                • BustinLoose
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 302

                  #5708
                  Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by wco81
                  Did the Bulls just let Dunleavy go or trade him away?

                  Not that he's a knockdown shooter but wasn't he one of their main 3-point shooters?

                  The new perimeter players they brought in appears to be worse shooters from distance.

                  They let Dunleavy go, to free money to sign Wade.

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                  • BustinLoose
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 302

                    #5709
                    Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by Mr.Ace
                    MCW was bad for the team.. They were better off with Knight.


                    But wtf were the Bulls thinking... even if Snell wasn't a great asset for them at the time.. MCW with Rondo/Wade/Butler ? Whatever combo of the 4 you use that's pretty ugly.. Fred will have no floor spacing.. Even less without being able to roll Snell out from time to time..

                    They never should have traded Knight. He was playing well for them when they did it.
                    Kidd was infatuated with having the tallest, athletic team in the league. Greg Monroe is next to get traded, he doesn't fit the mantra.

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                    • Themayorofawsometown
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2015
                      • 1101

                      #5710
                      Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                      Originally posted by BustinLoose
                      They never should have traded Knight. He was playing well for them when they did it.
                      Kidd was infatuated with having the tallest, athletic team in the league. Greg Monroe is next to get traded, he doesn't fit the mantra.
                      greg Monroe just hasn't been playing well for the bucks that's why he could be traded



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                      • ojandpizza
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 29807

                        #5711
                        Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by Mr.Ace
                        Mike Miller had a nice little career but he was pretty bad his rookie year... just that rookie class was so bad...

                        He won on an 11.9 ppg and 43% shooting... Mike really only had one great season when he was 26


                        If the rookie class was so bad then how does that make him a fraud?

                        Sure he didn't have an outstanding rookie year, but if he was still better than the other rookies he deserved it right?

                        But yeah, that was a pretty poor rookie class. Darius Miles, Marcus Fizer, DerMarr Johnson, Chris Mihm all went bust. Stromile Swift never amounted to anything but an energy role player, K-Mart was well below expectations grabbing one All-Star year while expected to be a franchise changer. Just an ugly draft. You could legitimately make a case for Jamal Crawford being the best player from the draft when it's all said and done, that's pathetic.


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                        • ProfessaPackMan
                          Bamma
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 63852

                          #5712
                          Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                          K-Mart changed our franchise along with Kidd though.
                          #RespectTheCulture

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                          • ojandpizza
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 29807

                            #5713
                            Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                            Well Kidd changed your franchise lol. Kidd took nearly the same roster Starberry had from 31 and 26 wins straight to back to back finals.

                            I think you could even argue that Jefferson was the better player during that stretch over K-Mart. Though it would be close.


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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #5714
                              2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                              I said he changed it ALONG with Kidd. And Kidd also had the benefit of playing in a system that was Taylor made for him and Kenyon that wasn't there before(Only good thing Byron did for us).

                              And no, Jefferson wasn't the better player during their time together. Sure you have the "numbers" argument but as far as impact on a franchise, it's not an argument.
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                              • ojandpizza
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 29807

                                #5715
                                Re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

                                I think "changed" is where we are having this disagreement. By my original statement "expected to be a franchise changer" I meant that he was basically expected to be a franchise player. Which isn't false, he was coming out of college supposed to be the next big thing. He never lived up to that, or anything close to that.

                                I gave RJ the edge for defense and a 3 point shot, not numbers. As far as impact on the franchise he came in as a 6th man on a team finals bound, so no his impact on the teams initial turnaround wasn't as large as K-Mart's.


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