NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

[ojandpizza]

NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

I think you're giving him slightly too much credit.. I would back you 100% if we actually knew Kerr could be successful without the best roster in the world, but we don't. Hell Walton had a better win percentage than he did, even though I'm sure Kerr's input was strong then too.

I agree he deserves the award, he's my vote as well, but I think you're going a little overboard and underselling what some of these other guys have done. It's not just about wins. Portland returned 1 started and were assumed to be landing a top 5 pick in the draft this year, instead they are a 5 seed in the playoffs. To me that's just as big as GS winning 6 more games than last year, especially since we would/should have expected them to be better.

As far as the small ball thing, we don't know that he did what D'Antoni couldn't because we never saw Phoenix have a roster that was anything close to this one. Hell I'm not sure I've ever watched a roster that quite compares to this one. And Miami did the whole small ball thing recently unless that just doesn't count. They made 3 straight finals using the small ball scheme.


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[cima]

Re: NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

I think you're giving him slightly too much credit.. I would back you 100% if we actually knew Kerr could be successful without the best roster in the world, but we don't. Hell Walton had a better win percentage than he did, even though I'm sure Kerr's input was strong then too.

I'm just gonna stop you right there. You do realize that Kerr took essentially the exact same team that Mark Jackson had in 2013-2014 and took them from 51 wins to 67 wins and an NBA title? And then took that 67 win team to 73 wins?

Kerr took them from 51 to 67 because he benched Iggy and Lee in favor of Barnes and Green. And won a title. So I don't know how you can say he's being given too much credit when he modified the pre-existing roster to make it more efficient and overall much better. It's not like they brought in some new guys from FA or the draft, he just took what they had, modified it, and boom, title.

The only other guy worth considering (besides Pop) is Stotts because what he did was unexpected. And maybe in any other year he could be considered; but not in a year when history was made. I can't get on bored with votes for Stevens or Clifford though. Charlotte should've been in the playoffs last year and I expected them to make it this year. Boston was in last year too, this was the next step in their natural progression was making it as a higher seed but definitely not enough to warrant COY.

[ojandpizza]

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lol well of course I realize all of that, I'm a basketball fan who doesn't live under a rock. And I agree with your overall point, as I said my vote was for Kerr as well.

What I can't agree with is that your point basically insinuates that just because GS is better under Kerr than Jackson that no other coach could have made them better as well. That's where I disagree, that's where I think you're propping him up too highly.

You're also completely ignoring certain other factors.. Like the fact that Curry, Klay, Green, Barnes were all 25 and under, and that regardless of whoever was coaching them they still had lots of room to improve individually. That other than Jackson's last season Curry was missing chunks of games with injuries.. That adding guys like Livingston, Barbosa, a healthy Bogut, was bound to steal you a couple more wins regardless of coaching change. This was a roster that was going to move up in the win column regardless, they could have had Byron Scott coaching and you would still expect a year to year improvement. Too young with too much potential and too much depth to regress.

Stevens is getting love because if you watch him coach he's one of the best in the league at drawing up late in the game plays, he's excellent at adjustments, he's gets the most out of all his guys, he seems to have a counter play for anything a defense throws at him.. I'm not saying Kerr doesn't, but I also haven't saw anything from Kerr to show me that GS couldn't be just as good with a guy like Stevens coaching them either.

Kerr didn't hit GS and do anything revolutionary. Dray developed to the point that he was better than Lee defensively, and Curry/Klay developed to the point that they were good enough offensively to bench Lee.. Kudos to Kerr for making the most of out small ball, but he didn't really invent some ground breaking thing that more than likely wouldn't have happened anyways.

He's well deserving for the award, his team has been the most consistent, the most accomplished, and he's easily one of the better coaches in the league. But he himself hasn't shown anything to be light years better as a coach than these other guys (which is how your post comes off), and that is the point other posters here are getting at.






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[bakan723]

Re: NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

Would have given it to the Celtics coach. Didn't think they'd do nearly as well as they did this year.

[ojandpizza]

Re: NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

Look at it this way.

This is comparable to the MVP voting coming in and Westbrook having a couple first place votes that Curry didn't get. And then someone acting like it was complete disrespect and that no other player should even be considered.. When in reality on an individual level Westbrook was ballin' his *** off this year, and this is afterall an individual award..

The Stevens love is the exact same thing. Anyone who's watch much from Stevens can see that he's been coaching his *** off. And this is an individual coaching award.

Like I said I would vote Kerr for breaking the record and making history, as well as having the best win% in the league. Followed by Stotts for making something out of nothing, with Pop probably in 3rd... But for someone to give Stevens props when in reality he's probably coaching about as well as any of them shouldn't be some outrage. None of those 4 did anything to show they were a landslide better than the other 3.


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[bakan723]

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I just think the GS team is so good that a lot of coaches would have done great with them. Look at the beginning of the season when they had someone that was never even a NBA HC before. What was their record under Walton again ?

Especially with all these blowout wins when they're raining down 3s... I would think the coach gets more credit for pulling out tight games.

[redsox4evur]

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I just think the GS team is so good that a lot of coaches would have done great with them. Look at the beginning of the season when they had someone that was never even a NBA HC before. What was their record under Walton again ?

Especially with all these blowout wins when they're raining down 3s... I would think the coach gets more credit for pulling out tight games.

I think it was something like 34-5. And that was another point I brought up. The Warriors are a great team and would have done something similar with most NBA coaches. Would they have finished with the best record of all time? Probably not, but you never know. But they would probably still win 62-67 games because their players are that great. And like OJ said in one of his earlier posts Kerr didn't change all that much from what Mark Jackson. Except for starting Barnes and Green. It was also progression from most players on the team that made them this great.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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It is amazing to me that Mark Jackson could only get 51 wins out of this roster. You can pinpoint the exact point in time when this team took off and.... it's the second after he left. I know players progressed, etc but we're talking a 16 win improvement with the same roster THEN a 73-9 season. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, I'm saying that's a TERRIBLE look for him.

[ojandpizza]

Re: NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

It is amazing to me that Mark Jackson could only get 51 wins out of this roster. You can pinpoint the exact point in time when this team took off and.... it's the second after he left. I know players progressed, etc but we're talking a 16 win improvement with the same roster THEN a 73-9 season. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, I'm saying that's a TERRIBLE look for him.

And probably why he doesn't have any offers now.


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Re: NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

It is amazing to me that Mark Jackson could only get 51 wins out of this roster. You can pinpoint the exact point in time when this team took off and.... it's the second after he left. I know players progressed, etc but we're talking a 16 win improvement with the same roster THEN a 73-9 season. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, I'm saying that's a TERRIBLE look for him.

I'm pretty sure it's Bogut that hated Jackson. At least he was the one to openly say it, I'm sure he wasn't the only one. Draymond and Barnes certainly improved a lot but Draymond didn't magically gain his passing vision or ball handling in an offseason. Jackson definitely did a poor job of utilizing the incredibly diverse talent on that team.

There was also that stuff with Scalabrine being fired after they got smashed by the Spurs towards the end of the season. Depending on who you want to believe, Scalabrine said Jackson told him he didn't believe the team was very good when he fired him.

[wwharton]

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How did you expect the Blazers and Hornets to do this year at the beginning of the year? Make the playoffs or not? And the Blazers in the top 5 as well. Because after OJ bumped the season prediction thread I saw I think one person say the Blazers would make the playoffs (and it was Maj but then said after questioned about it that he forgot that they lost LA). And I don't remember anyone picking the Hornets to make the playoffs.

I actually agree with a lot of what you've said on this (that's why I didn't quote other posts lol), but I really disagree with the idea that COY or even MVP should be given to the guy on the team that was supposed to suck but ended up being decent. If someone (even if it's a lot of someones) underrates a team in the preseason and they turn out being wrong, they shouldn't be validated this way. It's basically saying "I was right about them sucking, it's just that that guy coached the hell out of them." instead of "I said they'd suck and I was wrong."

Don't get me wrong, there should be consideration for these coaches, as there has been in this thread, but that consideration is something that can be used for splitting hairs, not leaping over a coach who's team dominated.

I think you're giving him slightly too much credit.. I would back you 100% if we actually knew Kerr could be successful without the best roster in the world, but we don't. Hell Walton had a better win percentage than he did, even though I'm sure Kerr's input was strong then too.

Kind of an extension of what I just said, then should we not give Red Auerbach, Pat Riley and Phil Jackson "too much credit" either?

[ojandpizza]

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Kind of an extension of what I just said, then should we not give Red Auerbach, Pat Riley and Phil Jackson "too much credit" either?

Not really what I meant. His posts have the tone that seem to insinuate that Kerr is the only coach in the league who could have done that with them.. And acts as if the distance between he and the others mentioned was so large that it was completely laughable for any other coach to be mentioned.

With quotes like "no case to be made for anyone else", "can't take any argument to NOT give it to Kerr seriously", things like that. That and he keeps reverting back to them improving last year and winning a ring (should have nothing to do with this years voting) and he's treating the award more like an MIP award than a MVP award.

I was merely trying to ask what has Kerr done from a coaching standpoint to show that he's leaps and bounds a better coach than Stevens? Just to bring to the conversation reasoning as to why some people feel he should get recognition. I remember last year when Russ was on his tear even you had brought up that if he kept his play up that he could get some MVP love, despite Curry/Harden so far ahead in team standings.. This is the same concept here. Basically what has Kerr done to out coach someone like Stevens is what I'm getting at.

It's not that I'm against giving Kerr tons of praise, it's just I don't necessarily agree with making it sound as if it's a joke for any other coach to be considered as good as him. Kerr is my vote as well, if I didn't want to give him major props I would have given it to someone else.


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[redsox4evur]

NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

I actually agree with a lot of what you've said on this (that's why I didn't quote other posts lol), but I really disagree with the idea that COY or even MVP should be given to the guy on the team that was supposed to suck but ended up being decent. If someone (even if it's a lot of someones) underrates a team in the preseason and they turn out being wrong, they shouldn't be validated this way. It's basically saying "I was right about them sucking, it's just that that guy coached the hell out of them." instead of "I said they'd suck and I was wrong."



Don't get me wrong, there should be consideration for these coaches, as there has been in this thread, but that consideration is something that can be used for splitting hairs, not leaping over a coach who's team dominated.







Kind of an extension of what I just said, then should we not give Red Auerbach, Pat Riley and Phil Jackson "too much credit" either?

Like I said earlier, I have no problems with Kerr winning the award. And I would've given it to him. I just can't agree to the notion that there are no other worthy candidates then Pop or Kerr as Cima has been insinuating. And most people had the Blazers as one of the 5 worst teams in the league instead they ended up with the 5 seed in the playoffs. Now the Hornets I will give you. They probably finished close to where they should have.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Ya'll are really arguing over nothing then if you're only issue is Cima giving someone TOO much praise, lol.

[cima]

Re: NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

Not really what I meant. His posts have the tone that seem to insinuate that Kerr is the only coach in the league who could have done that with them.. And acts as if the distance between he and the others mentioned was so large that it was completely laughable for any other coach to be mentioned.

With quotes like "no case to be made for anyone else", "can't take any argument to NOT give it to Kerr seriously", things like that. That and he keeps reverting back to them improving last year and winning a ring (should have nothing to do with this years voting) and he's treating the award more like an MIP award than a MVP award.

I was merely trying to ask what has Kerr done from a coaching standpoint to show that he's leaps and bounds a better coach than Stevens? Just to bring to the conversation reasoning as to why some people feel he should get recognition. I remember last year when Russ was on his tear even you had brought up that if he kept his play up that he could get some MVP love, despite Curry/Harden so far ahead in team standings.. This is the same concept here. Basically what has Kerr done to out coach someone like Stevens is what I'm getting at.

It's not that I'm against giving Kerr tons of praise, it's just I don't necessarily agree with making it sound as if it's a joke for any other coach to be considered as good as him. Kerr is my vote as well, if I didn't want to give him major props I would have given it to someone else.


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His team won 73 games, an NBA record? Lol. You're kind of getting at something I'm not even saying, you're dissecting their actual coaching ability and comparing coach-coach, but that's not what the COY award is about. Brad Stevens could be a better coach than Steve Kerr, but if Kerr is the man in charge of a team that won 73 games and Stevens' team won 48, it's pretty obvious who should get the award for that year. I was never saying Kerr is the best coach in the league hands down. What I was saying is he was the man responsible for an NBA record 73 wins in 2015-2016 and there's absolutely no other coaching performance this year that could possibly trump 73 wins. That's all it is. That and he's 100x better than Mark Jackson.