NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

[ojandpizza]

Re: NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

you're dissecting their actual coaching ability and comparing coach-coach, but that's not what the COY award is about.

Yes this is exactly what I'm doing. Which I really don't even care much regardless, just more so explaining why others might feel as if he was deserving. You basically said you couldn't understand the argument for him getting a vote, I was simply trying to explain why some people would feel he deserved a vote.




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[cima]

Re: NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

Yes this is exactly what I'm doing. Which I really don't even care much regardless, just more so explaining why others might feel as if he was deserving. You basically said you couldn't understand the argument for him getting a vote, I was simply trying to explain why some people would feel he deserved a vote.




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I get why they would vote for him, I just 100% disagree, lol. All good.

[wwharton]

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Not really what I meant. His posts have the tone that seem to insinuate that Kerr is the only coach in the league who could have done that with them.. And acts as if the distance between he and the others mentioned was so large that it was completely laughable for any other coach to be mentioned.

With quotes like "no case to be made for anyone else", "can't take any argument to NOT give it to Kerr seriously", things like that. That and he keeps reverting back to them improving last year and winning a ring (should have nothing to do with this years voting) and he's treating the award more like an MIP award than a MVP award.

I was merely trying to ask what has Kerr done from a coaching standpoint to show that he's leaps and bounds a better coach than Stevens? Just to bring to the conversation reasoning as to why some people feel he should get recognition. I remember last year when Russ was on his tear even you had brought up that if he kept his play up that he could get some MVP love, despite Curry/Harden so far ahead in team standings.. This is the same concept here. Basically what has Kerr done to out coach someone like Stevens is what I'm getting at.

It's not that I'm against giving Kerr tons of praise, it's just I don't necessarily agree with making it sound as if it's a joke for any other coach to be considered as good as him. Kerr is my vote as well, if I didn't want to give him major props I would have given it to someone else.


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That's just how cima talks, lol. Strangely, this time I actually understood what he was saying.

Either way, I wouldn't have jumped in the middle of your discussion if it weren't for that one line. I just can't get behind the idea that coaches of teams that have the highest level of success with lots of talent should somehow be criticized for it, to boost up a coach who had moderate success just because we expected the team to not do that well. Feel the same way about judging how good a player is for similar reasons.

Like I said earlier, I have no problems with Kerr winning the award. And I would've given it to him. I just can't agree to the notion that there are no other worthy candidates then Pop or Kerr as Cima has been insinuating. And most people had the Blazers as one of the 5 worst teams in the league instead they ended up with the 5 seed in the playoffs. Now the Hornets I will give you. They probably finished close to where they should have.

As stated above, I was only commenting on that one aspect... and that's how cima talks

[z Revis]

Re: NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

How was Kerr responsible for 73 wins when he was only on the sideline for 34 of those? I mean I understand there's more to coaching than in game coaching and I'm sure Kerr did the best he could to stay involved when he was away, but that's all speculation really. You don't really know exactly how involved and how much of an impact he made during that time. IMO if they were wanting to give it to a coach from GS, they should've done a co-COY with Walton getting it too.

Other than that I don't really have a problem with it.

[wwharton]

Re: NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

How was Kerr responsible for 73 wins when he was only on the sideline for 34 of those? I mean I understand there's more to coaching than in game coaching and I'm sure Kerr did the best he could to stay involved when he was away, but that's all speculation really. You don't really know exactly how involved and how much of an impact he made during that time. IMO if they were wanting to give it to a coach from GS, they should've done a co-COY with Walton getting it too.

Other than that I don't really have a problem with it.

It's definitely not just speculation. 90% of the time, coaches at this level make their money before and after game day. Walton deserves credit for the job he did in the interim (and he'll get it when he gets his new job) but that's Kerr's team and always has been.

[cima]

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It's definitely not just speculation. 90% of the time, coaches at this level make their money before and after game day. Walton deserves credit for the job he did in the interim (and he'll get it when he gets his new job) but that's Kerr's team and always has been.

Ugh this is what I was trying to say, nice word usage. It baffles me how many people think coaching is just being present on the sidelines.

[z Revis]

Re: NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

It's definitely not just speculation. 90% of the time, coaches at this level make their money before and after game day. Walton deserves credit for the job he did in the interim (and he'll get it when he gets his new job) but that's Kerr's team and always has been.

Thats not what I meant though. I'm saying how involved was he when he was away. Did he still work as a full time coach during that time except he just wasn't on the sideline? Thats really the only way you could reasonably say he was responsible at least in part to all 73 wins.

[wwharton]

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Thats not what I meant though. I'm saying how involved was he when he was away. Did he still work as a full time coach during that time except he just wasn't on the sideline? Thats really the only way you could reasonably say he was responsible at least in part to all 73 wins.

He can evaluate his players, map out what needs to be worked on individually and as a team. He can review game tape and highlight where improvements are needed and what gameplan needs to be in place to attack upcoming opponents. He can discuss rotations for situations, plays and pace for upcoming opponents, etc, etc, etc.

Whether he did it or not is no more speculative than attributing increased success to coaches that were there for all 82, without considering a young player coming into his own or an underrated pick up by a GM making a bigger impact than expected.

Basically, just because we can see a coach on the sideline doesn't mean we know any more about what they're actually doing than we do about one we can't see.

[tonybologna]

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I personally don't think Kerr should have been available to be picked for Coach of the Year. I mean he wasn't even the head coach for over half the season. It should have been another coach more deserving that coached his team the entire season & not just part of it.

I love Kerr as a head coach. He's already one of the best overall after only a couple of years of being a head coach but this wasn't deserving this season for him. Many more deserving options like Tyronn Lue or Billy Donovan or Gregg Popovich or even Brad Stevens from my Celtics. There are others you could mention here as well.

[cima]

Re: NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

I personally don't think Kerr should have been available to be picked for Coach of the Year. I mean he wasn't even the head coach for over half the season. It should have been another coach more deserving that coached his team the entire season & not just part of it.

I love Kerr as a head coach. He's already one of the best overall after only a couple of years of being a head coach but this wasn't deserving this season for him. Many more deserving options like Tyronn Lue or Billy Donovan or Gregg Popovich or even Brad Stevens from my Celtics. There are others you could mention here as well.

LeBron/Cavs homer here and LOL at saying Tyronn Lue was more deserving than Kerr. This has already been discussed to death but there's FAR more to being a head coach than just being present on the sidelines.

[tonybologna]

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LeBron/Cavs homer here and LOL at saying Tyronn Lue was more deserving than Kerr. This has already been discussed to death but there's FAR more to being a head coach than just being present on the sidelines.

I know that. A head coach does more than just coach during a game. My point is that he still wasn't the actual head coach for over 50% of their games. I don't care what he may have been helping Luke Walton with behind the scenes. There's more deserving coaches for this award this year than Kerr. I like Kerr as a coach. Don't get me wrong.

He's a heck of a coach but he did not deserve to win it this season. It's not really fair if you ask me. That's sending a message in future that being out temporarily as head coach for whatever reason can still get you an award even though you wasn't the one doing the actual job. Not good if you ask me.

[ojandpizza]

NBA Coach of the Year: Steve Kerr

Then why would Lue be deserving? He wasn't the coach for half the season either.


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[tonybologna]

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Then why would Lue be deserving? He wasn't the coach for half the season either.


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You're right. I forgot about that. He would have to be taken out of consideration too. I see that I mentioned him in my post on the last page back. I wasn't thinking that he took over as coach so far after the season started. I thought he had coached 75%+ of the season but I see that he didn't.