The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

[Vni]

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You'll prob see some Lebron at center too.

[BleacherBum2310]

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Does anyone? Once they get rolling with 3 pointers. It's pretty much over.

I'm expecting the Cavs to switch everything as well (like the Thunder. Which means Curry on Love, Double TT and Frye. When the Warriors go with their small lineup. I expect to see a lot of that Cavs small ball with Delly, Shump, RJ, Lebron and Frye vs the Warriors small ball.

This should be a match up.
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JR Smith and Love are the X-factors for this series.

good luck with that. The Cavs will score at a better rate than OKC but they won't defend at a better rate than OKC did. what Steph did on switches to Adams and Ibaka imagine it won't go well for CLE.

[jeebs9]

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good luck with that. The Cavs will score at a better rate than OKC but they won't defend at a better rate than OKC did. what Steph did on switches to Adams and Ibaka imagine it won't go well for CLE.

There are going to be time that they have to switch. It's either that are they hedge hard on pick and rolls. But I'm talking on off the ball stuff. No one wins when they are switching bigs on to guards. You can only cover Curry for so long.

[DieHardYankee26]

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First time Steph has Kyrie in a pick and roll and Kevin Love switches on him they can just end the series early.

[10]

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Does anyone? Once they get rolling with 3 pointers. It's pretty much over.

I'm expecting the Cavs to switch everything as well (like the Thunder. Which means Curry on Love, Double TT and Frye. When the Warriors go with their small lineup. I expect to see a lot of that Cavs small ball with Delly, Shump, RJ, Lebron and Frye vs the Warriors small ball.

This should be a match up.
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JR Smith and Love are the X-factors for this series (Barnes and Iggy for the Warriors).

I also don't think the Warriors will be switching ups like they did vs the Thunder. Unless Curry really can't cover Kyrie. I'd be surprise to see Curry cover JR.

Steph and Klay shot out of their minds in games 6 and 7 and OKC still had every chance to win both. Saw that with Ibaka/Adams/Kanter on him Steph was 17/23 from 3.

Cavs in 7. They can't defend as well as OKC did but they won't miss as many shots either. If Love and Tristan Thompson can grab some offensive rebounds they should have a shot to win every game with the way they can shoot/score.

These predictions all look the same as they did in the WCF thread for the most part. Bad matchup, GS will win easily, 4 or 5 game series with mostly blowouts. Lot of people forgetting how good LeBron and the rest of this team is apparently. Not saying the smart money shouldn't be on GS to win but I don't think it'll be easy for either team.

[jeebs9]

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First time Steph has Kyrie in a pick and roll and Kevin Love switches on him they can just end the series early.

Agree lol

I'm looking for some tactical feedback. Does anyone think the Cavs are stupid enough to trap the ball? That probably won't happen. Weakside man in the corner is going to be open too often for me. Most likely will have the bigs in a drop like we saw in game one. Trying to force the Warriors in med range 2's... But that's probably not going to happen either. Off ball screens will need help or switches.The Warriors are too active on offense to cover them straight up man to man.

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[cima]

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Does anyone? Once they get rolling with 3 pointers. It's pretty much over.

I'm expecting the Cavs to switch everything as well (like the Thunder. Which means Curry on Love, Double TT and Frye. When the Warriors go with their small lineup. I expect to see a lot of that Cavs small ball with Delly, Shump, RJ, Lebron and Frye vs the Warriors small ball.

This should be a match up.
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JR Smith and Love are the X-factors for this series (Barnes and Iggy for the Warriors).

I also don't think the Warriors will be switching ups like they did vs the Thunder. Unless Curry really can't cover Kyrie. I'd be surprise to see Curry cover JR.

Why would you say it's over when GS gets the threes going? You do realize that the Cavs have literally built this team to beat GS at their own game and that they've been outshooting GS from 3 these playoffs?

I would expect more trapping than switching TBH, like they did with Toronto. I still think Cleveland's defense is being underrated. Though GSW is a different beast, they locked down teams when they were really tuned into the defensive end. Not saying they'll lock down GS but they're not gonna be giving up 115/game either like some are alluding too. And they have the offensive firepower to outshoot GS as evidenced by their higher ranking in 3s made and 3 % these playoffs in less games. I expect Cavs to take the 2005 Spurs mentality and beat GSW at their own game like those Spurs did against the Suns.

FWIW, Kyrie had arguably his best defensive game of his career last year in G1 of the Finals against Curry and he was hobbled. I think Kyrie will relish the challenge. And Curry is going to be hiding on JR likely, Kyrie would put Steph on skates.

[BleacherBum2310]

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honestly CLE best strategy is to muck it up and slow the pace down. But with their personnel now they won't do that. TT is great Offensive rebounder but he's not Adams. also alot of OKC open shots were by design.

[wwharton]

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honestly CLE best strategy is to muck it up and slow the pace down. But with their personnel now they won't do that. TT is great Offensive rebounder but he's not Adams. also alot of OKC open shots were by design.

I agree, and I think that is lost in what the Cavs DID do in last year's finals. The likely rotations we will see can't play that style so it will be interesting to see how the added offense balances with the lack of defense. Personally, I expect the series to go to GS in 6 again because I think the balance puts things just short again for the Cavs. But it'd be stupid not to leave room for Lebron to go up another level and put the Cavs over the top... he didn't have enough help for that to matter last year, but I also think the Warriors are better overall going into this series so it should be a fun one.

[cima]

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honestly CLE best strategy is to muck it up and slow the pace down. But with their personnel now they won't do that. TT is great Offensive rebounder but he's not Adams. also alot of OKC open shots were by design.

How would that be their best strategy when they are built to run and shoot threes ala GS? Once GS went small last year, Cleveland was done. They may slow down the pace with the LeBron + Bench lineup, but the rest of the game they'll be running.

[jeebs9]

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Why would you say it's over when GS gets the threes going? You do realize that the Cavs have literally built this team to beat GS at their own game and that they've been outshooting GS from 3 these playoffs?

I would expect more trapping than switching TBH, like they did with Toronto. I still think Cleveland's defense is being underrated. Though GSW is a different beast, they locked down teams when they were really tuned into the defensive end. Not saying they'll lock down GS but they're not gonna be giving up 115/game either like some are alluding too. And they have the offensive firepower to outshoot GS as evidenced by their higher ranking in 3s made and 3 % these playoffs in less games. I expect Cavs to take the 2005 Spurs mentality and beat GSW at their own game like those Spurs did against the Suns.

FWIW, Kyrie had arguably his best defensive game of his career last year in G1 of the Finals against Curry and he was hobbled. I think Kyrie will relish the challenge. And Curry is going to be hiding on JR likely, Kyrie would put Steph on skates.

Because it's truth. No team can withstand a bunch of 3 pointer going in.


I think the way to stop the Warriors is on the defensive side. Trying to outshoot them or get into a running game. I also expect the Cavs to get Kevin Love involved early and often. If they don't this series is over before it got started

honestly CLE best strategy is to muck it up and slow the pace down. But with their personnel now they won't do that. TT is great Offensive rebounder but he's not Adams. also alot of OKC open shots were by design.

I agree, and I think that is lost in what the Cavs DID do in last year's finals. The likely rotations we will see can't play that style so it will be interesting to see how the added offense balances with the lack of defense. Personally, I expect the series to go to GS in 6 again because I think the balance puts things just short again for the Cavs. But it'd be stupid not to leave room for Lebron to go up another level and put the Cavs over the top... he didn't have enough help for that to matter last year, but I also think the Warriors are better overall going into this series so it should be a fun one.

Agree slowing the pace don should be something they do. But after watching 2 games from this season. I fully expect the Warriors to hide Curry on JR Smith. I expect Iggy to be starting by game one or 3 on LeBron. I think Green vs Love is a wash.

And we're probably not going to see this LeBron....
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Seriously.... too much talent on the Cavs for 38 shots from LeBron. I also think Barnes might finally wake up out of his sleep for this series. Which means someone else will go cold lol. LeBron should be on Attack mode early.

[BleacherBum2310]

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How would that be their best strategy when they are built to run and shoot threes ala GS? Once GS went small last year, Cleveland was done. They may slow down the pace with the LeBron + Bench lineup, but the rest of the game they'll be running.

um because GSW is much better at it. if you think CLE can out warriors the Warriors well then bold strategy cotton. the better odds are low possessions and low pace type games


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[jeebs9]

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um because GSW is much better at it. if you think CLE can out warriors the Warriors well then bold strategy cotton. the better odds are low possessions and low pace type games


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A great explain of that is game vs the Thunder. They pushed the tempo once in a while. And thank you for agreeing with me. That trying to out shoot the Warriors is a terrible idea. After watching a 3 games now. I 99% sure the Cavs will be in a drop or a soft hedge. They will not switch. Force them into med range jumpers.

This is the Lebron the Cavs need. Playing like a Karl Malone. Med range jumpers, layups and once in a while 3 pointer (maybe 3 a game). And sucking in the defense into the paint.

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[cima]

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um because GSW is much better at it. if you think CLE can out warriors the Warriors well then bold strategy cotton. the better odds are low possessions and low pace type games


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Well according to the results of this year's playoffs, that's completely false since Cleveland has an ORTG of 116.2 and GS has 109.8. But that's cause the EC sucks though, right?

[CMH]

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I like how last year Warrior fans and media all said "Delly is the dirtiest player in the NBA" over diving for loose ball.

Now this year you got Green kicking dudes in the nuts all over the place and trying to slam players only to DDT himself and Warrior fans and media all say "That's just Green being Green, he's not dirty."

The media didn't say that.