Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

[fluent2332]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

Agreed, game is every bit as much mental as it is physical/athletic abilities.

Even boxing, a very physical sport (obviously), is a sport where many say it's at least 75% mental / 25% physical (some would say it's even higher, like 90% mental / 10% physical). I'm sure I don't need to really cite specific examples, but there's this old fight called "The Rumble in the Jungle" or something that y'all might want to check out.

Greatness is greatness, man. I don't see why some people have to try and slight the older generation (not saying that's you, ojandpizza, just saying in general this is something I've seen). It also works both ways and there's really no need for older players to slight the newer generation of players.

[TheM47]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

Jordan will forever be a staple in the NBA.
His name is cemented, and will always be used as the perfect ball player

[Mr.Ace]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

Era discussion is always interesting... I mean if Larry Bird were in college today, he would train differently and be a better outside shooter than he when he played in his era..


If we just dropped a prime Larry Bird from the 80s into the NBA today I am not sure how good he would be..


MJ is one of the few players that I feel we could drop into almost any era of basketball and he'd be great.


However speaking of players from different eras, does Reggie Miller even get drafted in today's NBA?

[AlexBrady]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

Era discussion is always interesting... I mean if Larry Bird were in college today, he would train differently and be a better outside shooter than he when he played in his era..


If we just dropped a prime Larry Bird from the 80s into the NBA today I am not sure how good he would be..


MJ is one of the few players that I feel we could drop into almost any era of basketball and he'd be great.



However speaking of players from different eras, does Reggie Miller even get drafted in today's NBA?

Bird wasn't always in the best shape. If he were playing today he would shoot more threes but his outside shot was streaky. He would usually heat up from deep in the last 8 minutes or so of a game. The whole key to Bird's game was his anticipation, it was almost scary good. Yes, he would be just as great if he were playing today.

MJ would be even better if he were playing nowadays. Reggie Miller had such a quick and lively body with that quick shot release from deep. He would be a hot ticket if he were coming out for the draft.

[jeebs9]

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I still see kids running to the sneaker store. Sleeping in front of the freaking store. So yea he's still doing his thing lol

[KG]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

Era discussion is always interesting... I mean if Larry Bird were in college today, he would train differently and be a better outside shooter than he when he played in his era..


If we just dropped a prime Larry Bird from the 80s into the NBA today I am not sure how good he would be..


MJ is one of the few players that I feel we could drop into almost any era of basketball and he'd be great.


However speaking of players from different eras, does Reggie Miller even get drafted in today's NBA?

Bird would be the ideal stretch 4.

[AlexBrady]

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Bird would be the ideal stretch 4.

Agreed, but his handle was still good enough where he could be the initiator in screen/rolls.

[fluent2332]

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Bird wasn't always in the best shape. If he were playing today he would shoot more threes but his outside shot was streaky. He would usually heat up from deep in the last 8 minutes or so of a game. The whole key to Bird's game was his anticipation, it was almost scary good. Yes, he would be just as great if he were playing today.

MJ would be even better if he were playing nowadays. Reggie Miller had such a quick and lively body with that quick shot release from deep. He would be a hot ticket if he were coming out for the draft.

If Reggie was playing right now, shoot. He'd probably be shooting like Steph Curry, IMO.

Also factoring in modern training methods, etc., all those older players would be fine. The intangibles that separate great players like basketball IQ, confidence, swagger, etc., would all translate.

[ojandpizza]

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There was nothing about Reggies game that even comes close to resembling Steph and vice-Versa. The only similarity between the two are they are good shooters, along with plenty of other guys who have played.


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[fluent2332]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

There was nothing about Reggies game that even comes close to resembling Steph and vice-Versa. The only similarity between the two are they are good shooters, along with plenty of other guys who have played.

I think Reggie would be taking as many 3's as Steph and showing similar range. He didn't have the handle that Steph does obviously but I could see him being even more dominant of a shooter in today's game than he was in his day.

[ojandpizza]

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I think Reggie would be taking as many 3's as Steph and showing similar range. He didn't have the handle that Steph does obviously but I could see him being even more dominant of a shooter in today's game than he was in his day.

Reggie didn't have a lot of things Steph has though. Reggie didn't have Steph's range, Steph's ability to create a shot for himself, or Steph's ability to hit with a man on him, that's not even factoring in his ball handling abilities, speed with the ball, ability to pop on the dime. They just aren't similar players.

Just assuming Reggie would have his range would be assuming that any player that was a great shooter would have his range, and we've already saw that isn't the case. Especially with off-ball shooters. Guys like Redick, Korver, Marco they don't have that range.

A lot of Reggies game was dependent on moving without the ball. In an era that didn't allow players to use a zone defense, and most teams not having a guy at the 4 and 5 spot who could switch on to SGs and SFs, it often left Reggie catching the ball with his man still trying to chase him down after he screened. That rarely happens anymore, not many players just run along the baseline and end up open from a couple screens, that's why we don't see a lot of those old offenses being ran in today's game.

I think Reggie's best case would be more of a Klay Thompson type of player. Klay takes more 3's, shoots with a little more range, with similar accuracy and scoring as Reggie. Plus their play style is FAR more similar than Reggie and Curry. The more emphasis on outside shooting would allow Reggie to fit in fine, but I don't think the looks would be as clean. Part of what made Reggie so successful was that other teams weren't really doing what Reggie did. Now literally every team has to work to defend those shots.

Reggie could easily play in today's game, but to assume he would be at the level of the two time MVP makes me chuckle. The highest he ever finished was 13th, and he was easily the best shooter of his generation where it would be questionable if he could crack the top 3 today. Dude never cracked higher than the NBA 3rd team, and only achieved that 3 times in 18 years.


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[fluent2332]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

With the way the 3 pointer is emphasized today Reggie would be killing the league, IMO.

[AlexBrady]

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Both with that quick step back release. Miller, incidentally, did have 30 foot range on his shot.
Miller used to run so tight and fast off those single double baseline screens. Man or zone wouldn't matter.

[ojandpizza]

Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

Miller used to run so tight and fast off those single double baseline screens. Man or zone wouldn't matter.

But it does matter though, bigs like Thompson (just the example) can switch before he ever even gets around the screen. Why do you think we don't see that stuff with the regularity that we used to? You think players just became too stupid to run off screens, coaches forgot those plays existed, trainers, scouts, GMs, they all just woke up one day and forgot about it?

Edit: and Reggie did not have Steph Curry range. Not to the point that he could make it part of his every game arsenal. Any player can hit a shot from deep, not many can hit it at the same rate they do from right on the line.



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[AlexBrady]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

But it does matter though, bigs like Thompson (just the example) can switch before he ever even gets around the screen. Why do you think we don't see that stuff with the regularity that we used to? You think players just became too stupid to run off screens, coaches forgot those plays existed, trainers, scouts, GMs, they all just woke up one day and forgot about it?

Edit: and Reggie did not have Steph Curry range. Not to the point that he could make it part of his every game arsenal. Any player can hit a shot from deep, not many can hit it at the same rate they do from right on the line.



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Tristan Thompson? He plays aggressive defense but usually loses his focus when playing off the ball. I don't trust that he would make the correct decision when playing against Indiana's renowned single-double baseline setup. And if he did successfully switch, who picks up Indiana's powerful big man rolling?

Indiana had good players in that setup. That is why it is so tough to replicate. Curry, as the primary ball-handler has more chances to pull up his transport dribble than Miller did. Reggie had easy 30 foot range though.