What's your All-Time Starting 5?
I said I was leaning toward Jamison, even though Howard does have a case.
I said I was leaning toward Jamison, even though Howard does have a case.
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Joking obviously...
serious talk, you give Howard a case without even considering Webber? I know Howard played on the team longer but he was never the #1 option. He got overhyped when Miami got in that bidding war. I'm sure you remember, he never played up to the level of that contract. He was always solid, not spectacular.Comment
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I've been doing these all time teams since NBA Live 2000 and I can tell you my faves are Bulls, Suns, and Magic.
Rose
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Gilmore
Penny
Anderson
Tmac
Howard
Shaq
Nash
Majerle
Marion
Barkley
Stoudemire
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As dominant as that Magic team looks on paper, no chance Shaq and D12 could play together. If anything Shaq would need to be PF, but he's so dominant D12 wouldn't get anything but put backs every now and then. Both of them in their prime, that team would be unstoppable on defense in the paint though.
And if we're talking post championship appearance, the FT% of Shaq, D12 and Nick would be historically bad lolComment
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In a hypothetical world they would be matching up against other all time teams right? If that's the case I definitely think a D12/Shaq duo would work, considering most other teams would also be starting two traditional bigs rather than how teams are constructed in today's league.
I would give Dwight the small edge in regards to lateral quickness and hedge defense so I would stick him at PF.
I also wouldn't start Anderson. I think Scott's shooting abilities is a better fit given the players around him in the lineup.
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I knew I was forgetting someone. I would definitely put Scott in over Nick.
** reply to Dwight comment below
Based on what logic?
As I mentioned, defensively, both of them in their prime, they would be deadly next to each other.
Offensively, Dwight remains limited and while more athletic, was even more limited in his prime. Shaq was never mistaken for a stretch 4 himself but D12 made Shaq look like Hakeem out there. Speaking of, young Shaq was very agile, and while his game was centered around power, he had an arsenal of post moves. The only chance of containing him was pushing him away from the basket and forcing him to shoot from 8-10 feet... something he was terrible at but still better than Howard has ever been.
Add to the fact that we're talking about putting him next to another post dominant player, meaning the PF needs to be able to extend even more.
Offensively I'd rather have Dennis Rodman next to Shaq than Howard. Overall, it's possible what they can collectively do on defense makes up for that, but that's still a waste of a big name just to put them both out there. If we're talking about an actual game rather than just all time lists, Frye would probably be a better pick than Howard.Comment
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PG - Curry
SG - Klay
SF - Rick Barry
PF - Webber
C - Thurmond
B - Richmond
B - Mullin
B - HardawayComment
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How can you justify Klay starting over any of the 3 on your bench? Richmond, at his peak, was considered 2nd to only Jordan at SG.
Serious question because this is now 2 lists that have him starting when I think it's a stretch that he even makes the team (that's supposed to be 6 total).Comment
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I might give Klay the edge just because his off ball movement and shooting abilities. Also, if you consider them close enough to each other for it to at least be a discussion I would think Klay deserves the nod for playing on two finals teams, the 73 win team, and first championship team they've had in 40 years. Plus Mitch only spent 3 years with the team, which would be relatively low when basing it on what they actually did for the franchise, never an All Star until his Kings years.
My Warriors line-up would be Curry/Barry/Mullin/Thurmond/Wilt. So I technically wouldn't start either of them.
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I could go with your lineup.
And very good point about Mitch reaching is stride in Sactown... that's the kind of thing that makes these lists tough, but I think that's a fair qualification. With that said, I reject the participation angle. The details of what he did on those teams deserve consideration, but in basketball, of all sports, unless you're the alpha, your contribution to records and titles "could" be all over the place... no credit for that.
But yeah, I'm not trying to call Klay a scrub by any means. Just not ready to put him in the HOF where all 3 of those guys are.Comment
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Realistically if you just stuck that team on the court right now Frye being able to space the floor would likely be the more strategic fit. But Frye definitely wouldn't make the Magic's all time roster, even if it was extended to a 13 man squad.
I would pick Dwight because most of these teams will have size and a post scoring skill set. Tim Duncan, Karl Malone, Dirk, KG, McHale, Elvin Hayes, Pettit, Bosh, Gasol, J O'Neal, either Zo/Bosh next to Shaq in Miami, Rockets would likely start a combo of Hakeem/Sampson/Yao/Malone, Golden State would likely start Thurmond next to Wilt, Portland Lucas/Aldridge/Wallace, Reed or Oakley next to Ewing.. Dwight gives them the best chance to defend those guys with size, and battle the physical rebound types like Rodman, Oak, etc.
Obviously you might start someone else if someone like Dirk pulls him out and hurts him, or someone like Kemp/Blake is a little too quick. But in most of these matchups against a traditional two-big lineup he gives the Magic a bigger benefit than starting Shard Lewis or Horace Grant does.
Offensively I wouldn't even worry about it. Shaq will get all the touches as already mentioned, and draw the bigger/stronger defender. Dwight is the best offensive rebounder they've had, finishes the lobs as well as any player they've had, he's extremely efficient, and even at his peak only attempted about 12 shots a night anyways.
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I think if Klay had a small role on those teams it would be one thing, but given that he's one of the best players on the team it definitely adds to his Warriors credentials in my opinion. Especially the way he emerged last season, he was their best player for a good chunk of the playoffs. Averaged over 30 a game in the Portland series and really carried them the games Steph was out.
Mitch's Warriors resume will be 3 seasons of scoring about 20 a night, with two second round playoff exits, no All Star teams, no All NBA teams. Klay has been their 6 years his scoring is slightly less due to his first two years, but the last 3 are actually better. He's got a championship, two finals appearances, likely what will be his 3rd All Star team this year, likely his 3rd All NBA team, wouldn't be surprised if he got his first all defensive team either.
If his career continues what it's been for the past two-three seasons now he will EASILY be a hall of fame player. Maybe not quite the level of what Mitch was, but that's more in comparison to his Kings career than his Warriors career.
I guess it does depend on how you match your criteria. But from my perspective I'm not basing what a player did on one franchise to credit it towards another. Mitch was a good player in Golden State but he wasn't his team's go-to guy either, he wasn't the bonafide 2nd to Jordan shooting guard yet, wasn't an All Star yet, wasn't with the team for very long, and achieved very little overall success in comparison to what Klay has achieved.
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I'm a huge Mitch Richmond fan. In fact, if I could only own one Warriors jersey for the rest of my life, it would probably be a Mitch Richmond one. Mostly because that's the era I started watching NBA, and it's not a jersey you see a lot. I guess I just rate Klay up there because of postseason success, rightly or wrongly.
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As far as solely speaking on the SG spot I actually think Sprewell is up there with those guys. He's in the conversation, aside from his behavior lol.
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