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  • Skins4Life
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 2286

    #46
    Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

    Originally posted by LrOn2k
    You all really are jumping on him for no reason. he is a grown man, and he can do whatever he wants to. I live in Indianapolis and I've been hearing the brunt of this situation and its funny how many people have no idea what they're talking about. The man was hurt out of shape tired and having family problems. He asked for some time off. This isn't the playoffs, this isn't a end of the season race for homecourt. He didn't threaten to leave the team, he said no matter what Carlise said he would have played. if anybody screwed up this situation Carlise did for the b.s. statement "compromsing the integrity fo the team" wtf??
    Your kidding, right?

    He has a CONTRACT (you know, a piece of paper that say he PLAYS FOR THE INDIANA PACERS) He can do whatever he wants on the side, and if he can manage his time and promote his CD, then awsome. He doesnt need time off to WORK on his album. If he wanted that then he shouldnt be a NBA player, and sign that contract. carlile did what he was supposed to. IF this teams wasnt so ****ing injury depleted he (Artest) would still be riding the pine

    If anything I admire Ron for speaking his mind. Yes he is under contarct but if your body and personal life are in turmoil it's your right to ask for time off for your own well being. Artest is one of the hardest working players in the league former coaches and any one with a brain can see that, and everybody knows he's not as mentaly mature as others but that was a given even when he was in chicago. Carlise just should have said "no way" and let the situation die out on his own.
    I still stand by carlile. I do agree some people have family issues, but thats why I think there is more to the story. No one gets benched for asking for time off.

    Oh wait, there is more to the story. He sat with the fans after getting pulled out of the bulls game and then had a physical confrentation with JO (you know, the teams LEADER

    But it digusts me how people lable ron the devil or something. There's players in all sports who are being busted for drugs, going to jail, and all this other crap and because Ron asked for days off to heal he's suddenly the antichrist or something. People are also Naive enough to think that the pacers can win without Ron. yeah right, if the pacers management (ie. carlise) want to make mends for this huge screwup that THEY just commited then they need to again kill these trade talks and apologize to Ron for the embarassment that they just caused him
    I agree the media has blown this out of perportion, but Ron is only adding fuel to the fire by adding more and more stupid comments (he still doesnt know what the word integriy means )

    I wont debate if they can win without him, I have been debating that at the Pacers forum I visit the last two days. I personally feel that them going 9-0 wihtout him last season and then beating Minny with out him this years proves they can. You can argue he carried the team in the playoffs last season again the Heat, but I will argue who says his replacement(s) wont be able to carry the load. The question comes down to is managment (BTW, Carlile is the coach, Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh are managment ) willing to trade him and risk winning a title this year but maybe help the future with less problems in the locker roon, or do they keep waiting for Ron to develop.

    I've seen how bad behavior can ruin a working environment for everyone. Trading an incredibly talented jerk for a hard-working slightly less talented person can in fact be a major upgrade for the team, because everyone performs better when the jerk is gone.

    With Stephen Jackson here and Fred Jones developing far more than I thought possible, Ron might be a luxury, not a necessity for this team to be a contender.
    Last edited by Skins4Life; 11-12-2004, 03:05 PM.

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    • Skins4Life
      MVP
      • Jul 2002
      • 2286

      #47
      Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

      Originally posted by LrOn2k
      You all really are jumping on him for no reason. he is a grown man, and he can do whatever he wants to. I live in Indianapolis and I've been hearing the brunt of this situation and its funny how many people have no idea what they're talking about. The man was hurt out of shape tired and having family problems. He asked for some time off. This isn't the playoffs, this isn't a end of the season race for homecourt. He didn't threaten to leave the team, he said no matter what Carlise said he would have played. if anybody screwed up this situation Carlise did for the b.s. statement "compromsing the integrity fo the team" wtf??
      Your kidding, right?

      He has a CONTRACT (you know, a piece of paper that say he PLAYS FOR THE INDIANA PACERS) He can do whatever he wants on the side, and if he can manage his time and promote his CD, then awsome. He doesnt need time off to WORK on his album. If he wanted that then he shouldnt be a NBA player, and sign that contract. carlile did what he was supposed to. IF this teams wasnt so ****ing injury depleted he (Artest) would still be riding the pine

      If anything I admire Ron for speaking his mind. Yes he is under contarct but if your body and personal life are in turmoil it's your right to ask for time off for your own well being. Artest is one of the hardest working players in the league former coaches and any one with a brain can see that, and everybody knows he's not as mentaly mature as others but that was a given even when he was in chicago. Carlise just should have said "no way" and let the situation die out on his own.
      I still stand by carlile. I do agree some people have family issues, but thats why I think there is more to the story. No one gets benched for asking for time off.

      Oh wait, there is more to the story. He sat with the fans after getting pulled out of the bulls game and then had a physical confrentation with JO (you know, the teams LEADER

      But it digusts me how people lable ron the devil or something. There's players in all sports who are being busted for drugs, going to jail, and all this other crap and because Ron asked for days off to heal he's suddenly the antichrist or something. People are also Naive enough to think that the pacers can win without Ron. yeah right, if the pacers management (ie. carlise) want to make mends for this huge screwup that THEY just commited then they need to again kill these trade talks and apologize to Ron for the embarassment that they just caused him
      I agree the media has blown this out of perportion, but Ron is only adding fuel to the fire by adding more and more stupid comments (he still doesnt know what the word integriy means )

      I wont debate if they can win without him, I have been debating that at the Pacers forum I visit the last two days. I personally feel that them going 9-0 wihtout him last season and then beating Minny with out him this years proves they can. You can argue he carried the team in the playoffs last season again the Heat, but I will argue who says his replacement(s) wont be able to carry the load. The question comes down to is managment (BTW, Carlile is the coach, Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh are managment ) willing to trade him and risk winning a title this year but maybe help the future with less problems in the locker roon, or do they keep waiting for Ron to develop.

      I've seen how bad behavior can ruin a working environment for everyone. Trading an incredibly talented jerk for a hard-working slightly less talented person can in fact be a major upgrade for the team, because everyone performs better when the jerk is gone.

      With Stephen Jackson here and Fred Jones developing far more than I thought possible, Ron might be a luxury, not a necessity for this team to be a contender.

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      • jplaya2023
        Banned
        • Aug 2004
        • 715

        #48
        Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

        trade ron for peja and this stops

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        • jplaya2023
          Banned
          • Aug 2004
          • 715

          #49
          Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

          trade ron for peja and this stops

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          • patrick17
            Banned
            • Oct 2004
            • 164

            #50
            Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

            HE doesnt have a cd dropping, he produced one for his singing group, off his label

            and both, rick and ron, said it wasnt about the cd...

            that car interview was artest, "playing to the crowd"

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            • patrick17
              Banned
              • Oct 2004
              • 164

              #51
              Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

              HE doesnt have a cd dropping, he produced one for his singing group, off his label

              and both, rick and ron, said it wasnt about the cd...

              that car interview was artest, "playing to the crowd"

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              • Skins4Life
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 2286

                #52
                Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

                Ronnie is the CEO of the company that produces the CD, I beleive...

                either way, he got a good publicity stunt out of this

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                • Skins4Life
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 2286

                  #53
                  Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

                  Ronnie is the CEO of the company that produces the CD, I beleive...

                  either way, he got a good publicity stunt out of this

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                  • muzion
                    Pro
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 718

                    #54
                    Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

                    Originally posted by LrOn2k
                    You all really are jumping on him for no reason. he is a grown man, and he can do whatever he wants to. I live in Indianapolis and I've been hearing the brunt of this situation and its funny how many people have no idea what they're talking about. The man was hurt out of shape tired and having family problems. He asked for some time off. This isn't the playoffs, this isn't a end of the season race for homecourt. He didn't threaten to leave the team, he said no matter what Carlise said he would have played. if anybody screwed up this situation Carlise did for the b.s. statement "compromsing the integrity fo the team" wtf??

                    If anything I admire Ron for speaking his mind. Yes he is under contarct but if your body and personal life are in turmoil it's your right to ask for time off for your own well being. Artest is one of the hardest working players in the league former coaches and any one with a brain can see that, and everybody knows he's not as mentaly mature as others but that was a given even when he was in chicago. Carlise just should have said "no way" and let the situation die out on his own.

                    But it digusts me how people lable ron the devil or something. There's players in all sports who are being busted for drugs, going to jail, and all this other crap and because Ron asked for days off to heal he's suddenly the antichrist or something. People are also Naive enough to think that the pacers can win without Ron. yeah right, if the pacers management (ie. carlise) want to make mends for this huge screwup that THEY just commited then they need to again kill these trade talks and apologize to Ron for the embarassment that they just caused him
                    Realest post in the thread

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                    • muzion
                      Pro
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 718

                      #55
                      Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

                      Originally posted by LrOn2k
                      You all really are jumping on him for no reason. he is a grown man, and he can do whatever he wants to. I live in Indianapolis and I've been hearing the brunt of this situation and its funny how many people have no idea what they're talking about. The man was hurt out of shape tired and having family problems. He asked for some time off. This isn't the playoffs, this isn't a end of the season race for homecourt. He didn't threaten to leave the team, he said no matter what Carlise said he would have played. if anybody screwed up this situation Carlise did for the b.s. statement "compromsing the integrity fo the team" wtf??

                      If anything I admire Ron for speaking his mind. Yes he is under contarct but if your body and personal life are in turmoil it's your right to ask for time off for your own well being. Artest is one of the hardest working players in the league former coaches and any one with a brain can see that, and everybody knows he's not as mentaly mature as others but that was a given even when he was in chicago. Carlise just should have said "no way" and let the situation die out on his own.

                      But it digusts me how people lable ron the devil or something. There's players in all sports who are being busted for drugs, going to jail, and all this other crap and because Ron asked for days off to heal he's suddenly the antichrist or something. People are also Naive enough to think that the pacers can win without Ron. yeah right, if the pacers management (ie. carlise) want to make mends for this huge screwup that THEY just commited then they need to again kill these trade talks and apologize to Ron for the embarassment that they just caused him
                      Realest post in the thread

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                      • fobbybobby23
                        Pro
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 825

                        #56
                        Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

                        artest did compromise the integrity of the team

                        granted, yea he's probably hurt, but if its anything serious the team doctors probably would have told them how long he should be out blah blah

                        but instead artest says, let me take time off, he's not being a good teammate

                        here are his other teammates working their butts off, while one of the best players on the team is like "hmm...im going to take time off, and how convenient! i get to focus more on my music album than bball too!"

                        that's just not being a good teammate, because everyone starts thinking...why can artest take time off just like that, and not focus 100% on bball, when we can't

                        or they start thinking, we're focusing 100%, artest is just in his own world distracted by his own album, not putting his full effort, animosity is created between teammates, its not good for chemistry

                        sure its early in the season, but that doesn't matter, every game counts...what if the standings are real tight towards the end of the season?? and then they end up being behind 1/2 a game from being 1st place and can't get homecourt advantage or something like that

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                        • fobbybobby23
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 825

                          #57
                          Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

                          artest did compromise the integrity of the team

                          granted, yea he's probably hurt, but if its anything serious the team doctors probably would have told them how long he should be out blah blah

                          but instead artest says, let me take time off, he's not being a good teammate

                          here are his other teammates working their butts off, while one of the best players on the team is like "hmm...im going to take time off, and how convenient! i get to focus more on my music album than bball too!"

                          that's just not being a good teammate, because everyone starts thinking...why can artest take time off just like that, and not focus 100% on bball, when we can't

                          or they start thinking, we're focusing 100%, artest is just in his own world distracted by his own album, not putting his full effort, animosity is created between teammates, its not good for chemistry

                          sure its early in the season, but that doesn't matter, every game counts...what if the standings are real tight towards the end of the season?? and then they end up being behind 1/2 a game from being 1st place and can't get homecourt advantage or something like that

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                          • Skins4Life
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 2286

                            #58
                            Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

                            Muzion,

                            Did you not see my above post?

                            Or is it selective reading?

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                            • Skins4Life
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 2286

                              #59
                              Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

                              Muzion,

                              Did you not see my above post?

                              Or is it selective reading?

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                              • Court_vision
                                Banned
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 8290

                                #60
                                Re: David Aldridge sheds some light on the Artest situation

                                Originally posted by Clay_OS
                                Who is going to trade for Artest now? His transformation into Dennis Rodman is nearly complete. It's like Annakin Skywalker slowly turning into Darth Vader.

                                Few remember that in Rodman's final two years with the Pistons (pre-tattos, pre-hair dye, etc...), he talked about retiring on a few occasions. He also showed up at the Palace one night with a shotgun ready to end it all. Artest is heading for a Rodman caliber meltdown.
                                Key point about Rodman though is that just about every book I've read from teammates of his, they all say he loved the game + was a gym freak + loved the spotlight + had a 'need' to play. Even at 43 or whatever he is, he's still playing.

                                Guys close to him knew he wouldn't walk away from the game etc.

                                Also, he never had the 'multi year' type deal that players like Artest have nowadays. In other words, he was a relatively 'safe' risk.

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