2017 Offseason Thread

[SPTO]

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So apparently Dolan is eying Masai Ujiri as Phil's replacement. This article should cool off any anticipation of that happening. A small but key part of that article is a quote from an MLSE executive to "don't even waste your time on this.". MLSE has made it known in the past that Masai is their man and have renegotiated his deal previously when his name was mentioned for other jobs.

Never say never, but I doubt Ujiri bolts for NY and if he does well....Welcome Kristaps Porzingis and a 1st round pick to Toronto

[The 24th Letter]

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Would really be something if the whole kidnap crew ended up leaving Dre behind..

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[CMH]

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This trade has me very confused. Any salary cap/CBA experts in here? Some guy on twitter is calling me an idiot, saying Houston freed up cap room with this trade, giving them a chance at signing another big FA. But, Paul's contract is around 24 million, and the total of Lou, Beverly, and Dekker is about 15 mil.

What am I missing here?

You're not wrong. Houston has to make a deal or two before this can become official. They don't have the cap space to add him.

[trekfan]

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Paul of course had the leverage of being able to leave right now for nothing. If George had that same leverage, he'd be on the Lakers right now with the Pacers getting Clarkson and those two first round picks. A deal that I'm sure that they rejected out of hand since George is locked up for one more year.

Granted, Paul could have left the Clippers straight up -- the fact that he opted in and let himself get traded for assets (limited as they are) was good of him. But George has declared he wants to sign with the Lakers next summer, which -- I feel -- has depressed his trade value significantly. I don't think the return for George will be all that much different than what we saw here with Paul.

Basically the Clippers got a solid, cheap veteran (Patrick Beverly), prospect on cheap contract (Sam Dekker), specialist on decent contract (Lou Williams), and a 2018 1st rounder that'll likely fall in the 23-30 range.

Anyone looking to trade for George will likely use this deal as a starting point and tweak it; I'd expect George's relative youth and position will allow the Pacers to get back an extra cheap prospect and a better veteran player than Beverly.

I think Indiana will regret waiting to pull the trigger on the George trade -- the draft was a prime opportunity and I think Paul's trade has harmed the chances of Indiana getting a mega-offer. It's really just the Celtics (who seemed convinced they get get George to sign on long-term) who have the assets to offer that at this point, and they'd have to be assured George signs with them.

(This is all total speculation and my opinion, of course.)

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Knicks nation.... you welcome


Clippers supposedly gonna re-sign Blake


Warriors and Spurs both run triangle sets just fine. It just aint happening in NY

[CMH]

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So apparently Dolan is eying Masai Ujiri as Phil's replacement. This article should cool off any anticipation of that happening. A small but key part of that article is a quote from an MLSE executive to "don't even waste your time on this.". MLSE has made it known in the past that Masai is their man and have renegotiated his deal previously when his name was mentioned for other jobs.

Never say never, but I doubt Ujiri bolts for NY and if he does well....Welcome Kristaps Porzingis and a 1st round pick to Toronto

It's not happening either way. Forget all the obvious reasons Masai has no desire to get a heart attack at a young age. Having to give up Porzingis would destroy any of the "good" in coming to New York. No way he would come unless it's with Porzingis to build around.

[CMH]

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Granted, Paul could have left the Clippers straight up -- the fact that he opted in and let himself get traded for assets (limited as they are) was good of him. But George has declared he wants to sign with the Lakers next summer, which -- I feel -- has depressed his trade value significantly. I don't think the return for George will be all that much different than what we saw here with Paul.

Basically the Clippers got a solid, cheap veteran (Patrick Beverly), prospect on cheap contract (Sam Dekker), specialist on decent contract (Lou Williams), and a 2018 1st rounder that'll likely fall in the 23-30 range.

Anyone looking to trade for George will likely use this deal as a starting point and tweak it; I'd expect George's relative youth and position will allow the Pacers to get back an extra cheap prospect and a better veteran player than Beverly.

I think Indiana will regret waiting to pull the trigger on the George trade -- the draft was a prime opportunity and I think Paul's trade has harmed the chances of Indiana getting a mega-offer. It's really just the Celtics (who seemed convinced they get get George to sign on long-term) who have the assets to offer that at this point, and they'd have to be assured George signs with them.

(This is all total speculation and my opinion, of course.)

The key difference here is Houston doesn't have cap space to add Paul. The only way he was going to Houston was through a trade.

Paul George can sign with the Lakers without them giving up any major assets so long as they renounce their rights to certain players.

There is no comparison. Completely different situations.

[SPTO]

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I had read earlier this summer that the Rockets were targeting Kyle Lowry with them getting CP3 does that mean that notion is dead?

[33JAF]

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You're not wrong. Houston has to make a deal or two before this can become official. They don't have the cap space to add him.

That's what I thought. I have no idea why I bother trying to get info or ask a rational question on twitter. Thanks.

[areobee401]

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I had read earlier this summer that the Rockets were targeting Kyle Lowry with them getting CP3 does that mean that notion is dead?

Yes, but Minnesota and Denver are still lurking.

[trekfan]

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The key difference here is Houston doesn't have cap space to add Paul. The only way he was going to Houston was through a trade.

Paul George can sign with the Lakers without them giving up any major assets so long as they renounce their rights to certain players.

There is no comparison. Completely different situations.

I'm not suggesting the Lakers trade for George -- that's stupid, the Lakers can wait and, like you say, just sign him outright in 2018.

I'm just opining that any other team looking to trade for him (Spurs, Celtics, Cavs, Wizards) has a baseline deal to go by now that CP3 has been traded. Will it be the same deal? Certainly not. But I think CP3's trade is the starting point for all similar trades this offseason for other stars.

I really feel the Spurs are now likely players for George -- San Antonio needs a move to get past the Warriors and, though Paul would have been nice, I don't think he would have been remotely close to enough. Adding George next to Leonard would push them back into title contention, but how the Spurs do that would almost certainly involve trading LMA and possibly Parker.

[jfsolo]

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I had read earlier this summer that the Rockets were targeting Kyle Lowry with them getting CP3 does that mean that notion is dead?

Yeah, they have to be looking at a trying to get a wing now.

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Rockets got a couple small pieces for cash...DeAndre Liggins is one of them.

JJ Reddick not returning.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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This trade has me very confused. Any salary cap/CBA experts in here? Some guy on twitter is calling me an idiot, saying Houston freed up cap room with this trade, giving them a chance at signing another big FA. But, Paul's contract is around 24 million, and the total of Lou, Beverly, and Dekker is about 15 mil.

What am I missing here?

They were over the cap and would have had to shed salary to sign CP3 outright because you need "cap space" to sign a FA. By trading for him they obtained his bird right's which means you don't need cap space (you just have to send matching salary out) to sign him and you can extend him over the cap (so long as your owner doesn't mind paying the tax).


EDIT: Didn't read your question all the way through. Yeah, not sure how this frees up space to sign a FA. They'd have to shed quite a bit of salary.

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Rockets plan

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The Rockets are gathering non-guaranteed contracts to use in Clippers trade, or elsewhere.