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  • jeremym480
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    • Oct 2008
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    #2041
    Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by z Revis
    Not getting anything isn't really any different than getting a few players that aren't useful to us lol. I'd just go back to Cleveland and take Love off their hands and flip him somewhere for something useful.

    I hear you though, I'm mostly talking from a Pacer pov. If Danny isn't gonna give anything up then there's no point in continuing talks and continuing to hear how he wants PG and Hayward.


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    What guards or small forwards do the Pacers have on their roster that are would make guys like Smart or Crowder not useful?
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    • King_B_Mack
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      • Jan 2009
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      #2042
      Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

      Originally posted by ricky24
      No reason to give any pick that could potentially be top 5 or Tatum/brown for one year of a guy. Pacers acting like PG has a great contract situation.


      Danny shouldn't be forced to overpay just because he has the assets too.


      This ain't all that accurate either, because Jimmy Butler had a great contract situation and Ainge wouldn't even give up the Brooklyn pick straight up. Dude is being completely unreasonable in trade discussions and it's getting to the point that I'd rather see him epically whiff on everything he keeps sitting on his assets for.


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      • ricky24
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        • Jan 2014
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        #2043
        Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

        Originally posted by King_B_Mack
        This ain't all that accurate either, because Jimmy Butler had a great contract situation and Ainge wouldn't even give up the Brooklyn pick straight up. Dude is being completely unreasonable in trade discussions and it's getting to the point that I'd rather see him epically whiff on everything he keeps sitting on his assets for.


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        Not really comparable. Ainge obviously didn't want butler. Especially at that price. George is a much better player but his contract situation is an issue. Not sure how Danny is being unreasonable at all here. If he is then wouldn't the pacers have a better offer than his best offer to jump on right now?

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        • ricky24
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          • Jan 2014
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          #2044
          Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by jeremym480
          What guards or small forwards do the Pacers have on their roster that are would make guys like Smart or Crowder not useful?


          Pacers are not going to find a better offer than crowder/smart and some mid/late first rounders for George. His value is shot. Lakers could put together a good package but why would they?

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          • King_B_Mack
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            • Jan 2009
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            #2045
            Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by ricky24
            Not really comparable. Ainge obviously didn't want butler. Especially at that price. George is a much better player but his contract situation is an issue. Not sure how Danny is being unreasonable at all here. If he is then wouldn't the pacers have a better offer than his best offer to jump on right now?


            Paul George is not a "much better player" than Jimmy Butler, but okay.


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            • DieHardYankee26
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              • Feb 2008
              • 10178

              #2046
              Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

              Originally posted by ricky24
              Not sure how Danny is being unreasonable at all here. If he is then wouldn't the pacers have a better offer than his best offer to jump on right now?
              No, not necessarily.
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              • TheShizNo1
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                • Mar 2007
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                #2047
                Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                The homerisms are strong in this thread.

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                • ricky24
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                  • Jan 2014
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                  #2048
                  Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                  Paul George is not a "much better player" than Jimmy Butler, but okay.


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                  I think George could be the best player on a contending team. Can't say the same for Butler.

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                  • The Chef
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                    • Sep 2003
                    • 13684

                    #2049
                    Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by z Revis
                    Ainge is gonna have to do better than Smart, Crowder and some other 1st round pick besides the LAL and BKN ones. Those aren't valuable to Indy. Crowder doesn't fit our timeline(assuming we rebuild anyway) at 27 years old and what other 1st round pick do they have to give up? Their own? LAC's which is lottery protected and they just lost CP3 so pretty much worthless now.. Those aren't any good lol. And Smart is super meh.

                    Pritchard may be asking too much, but he has to get SOMETHING of value. It's like Ainge wants to be a contender and be a rebuilding team at the same time. He's already got Tatum and Brown, 2 other likely high lottery picks yet he's trying to add Hayward and PG while keeping all of his assets? Something has to give there.


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                    Indiana has zero leverage in anything involving George. They can shoot for the moon and fans can claim that teams need to offer better assets in return but until George is guaranteed to resign with whatever team trades for him the Pacers, for all intents and purposes, are at the mercy of the rest of the league. If they want to sit back, let him play out the final year and watch him walk for nothing then by all means but seeing as they aren't anywhere near winning a title it makes no sense to do that.

                    The only hope Indiana has is some eastern conference team truly feels that adding George, even for just one year, puts them over Cleveland and into the Finals and thus overpays for him. Based on that the only option is Boston or Cleveland themselves.

                    I'm not completely up on NBA news at times but Chris Paul was just traded to Houston. He informed the Clippers he was going to leave for Houston, as far as I know he didn't tell Houston that, the Clippers maintained leverage and got a decent enough package for him. Paul George went out rambling about going to LA once his deal was up, Indiana lost all leverage and now they want to act as if they still have that leverage.

                    Indiana won't get fair compensation for George unless Boston overpays and they got George to thank for that.
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                    • ricky24
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                      • Jan 2014
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                      #2050
                      Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                      Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                      No, not necessarily.


                      Why not? They gotta have something on the table close to what they are asking him to pay. Otherwise the pacers are being unreasonable. Are they expecting Danny to bid against himself?

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                      • 23
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                        • Sep 2002
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                        #2051
                        Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by The Chef
                        Indiana has zero leverage in anything involving George. They can shoot for the moon and fans can claim that teams need to offer better assets in return but until George is guaranteed to resign with whatever team trades for him the Pacers, for all intents and purposes, are at the mercy of the rest of the league. If they want to sit back, let him play out the final year and watch him walk for nothing then by all means but seeing as they aren't anywhere near winning a title it makes no sense to do that.

                        The only hope Indiana has is some eastern conference team truly feels that adding George, even for just one year, puts them over Cleveland and into the Finals and thus overpays for him. Based on that the only option is Boston or Cleveland themselves.

                        I'm not completely up on NBA news at times but Chris Paul was just traded to Houston. He informed the Clippers he was going to leave for Houston, as far as I know he didn't tell Houston that, the Clippers maintained leverage and got a decent enough package for him. Paul George went out rambling about going to LA once his deal was up, Indiana lost all leverage and now they want to act as if they still have that leverage.

                        Indiana won't get fair compensation for George unless Boston overpays and they got George to thank for that.
                        Welp Pritchard said he won't take a lesser deal to trade PG but he doesn't realize he will anyway.

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                        • jeremym480
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                          • Oct 2008
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                          #2052
                          Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                          Originally posted by ricky24
                          Pacers are not going to find a better offer than crowder/smart and some mid/late first rounders for George. His value is shot. Lakers could put together a good package but why would they?
                          Unless, Pritchard really likes Otto Porter or Gary Harris then I don't really see any offers that are on the table. Maybe Houston trades Capela, Gordon and a couple of distant 1st, but I don't see that as that great either.

                          Indiana's best bet is either Ainge gets antsy and includes LA's 18 1st or the Lakers get nervous and decide to make a move; but with all of the news that PG is going there regardless, then why would they?

                          Either way, Indiana really has no leverage and I will be surprised if they get a deal that won't disappoint Pacer fans.
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                          • AlexBrady
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                            • Jul 2008
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                            #2053
                            Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by ricky24
                            I think George could be the best player on a contending team. Can't say the same for Butler.
                            Both have their flaws. George has a shaky handle and can be used on defense. Butler is an erratic long-range shooter with sticky fingers.

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
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                              • Mar 2008
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                              #2054
                              Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                              The homerisms are strong in this thread.

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                              Can you imagine the spin that'll come if they don't get either of them?
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                              • ricky24
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                                • Jan 2014
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                                #2055
                                Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                                Can you imagine the spin that'll come if they don't get either of them?


                                You talking about the Celtics here?


                                I don't see George happening at all right now and I'm about 50/50 on Hayward. What would we have to spin exactly?

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