2017 Offseason Thread

[wco81]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Maybe Boston will offer him a Kyle Lowry type of deal.

If they plan to give him a big contract, do the Celtics still have room for another big FA next summer?

And then Hayward can opt out after 3 seasons and go for his 10-year vet max.

[Boltman]

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He's not getting one but it's nice to believe in things like dragons, fairies and max contracts to over 30 point guards in a league full of talented young point guards.

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So harsh lol.

But yea he's definitely delusional if he thinks he sniffing anything even near a max 200M+ contract.

[ricky24]

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IT will not be over 30 when his contract is up.

[3304Life]

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He'd be 30 within the first year of his new one being active. Same logic applies.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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New York Knicks and former No. 2 overall pick Michael Beasley are nearing agreement on a one-year deal, a league source told @BBallInsiders.

— Michael Scotto (@MikeAScotto) August 8, 2017

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[l3ulvl]

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Thoughts?


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My thoughts? Stan needs to be next

[BleacherBum2310]

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Would any of you give Zeke a Max contract?

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the Kyle Lowry max sure. Idk about the deal he's looking for though.

[Vni]

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@AlexKennedyNBA
As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.

[CMH]

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@AlexKennedyNBA
As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.

Phil had a weird obsession with signing / drafting someone and then trading them away immediately for another "similarly" valued player.

I imagine Phil would be very bad at Uno.

"I've taken some time observing the behavior of this Uno card I have. I don't believe it's effective with the others in my hand. I have to trade it in."

"Again, Phil? This is the sixth straight time. We're trying to play a game here."

"I promise not to trade this last one."

*Phil draws the card*

"How do I take back my last statement?"

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Don't forget the random "Trust the system" reference.


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[jb12780]

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Phil probably would have thrown a Max deal at IT.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

2017 Offseason Thread

The Cavaliers are reportedly prioritizing youth in a Kyrie Irving trade.

Make no mistake what that means about LeBron James.

Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN:

Cleveland is determined to get an elite young player for Irving, which means this: The trade plan the Cavaliers would have prioritized, with James committed for the long term — veterans to surround James and draft picks — isn’t in motion.

The process of building out the franchise’s roster long term has accelerated with Irving’s trade request. The Cavaliers have witnessed James’ exit strategy twice — once to leave Cleveland and once to return — and the Irving trade request has left them unwilling to squander the opportunity to replenish young assets on a roster that could be crippled in a post-James Cavaliers era that is stocked with high-priced veterans.

The Cavaliers find themselves far more fixated on a young star, including New York’s Kristaps Porzingis, Boston’s Jayson Tatum, Phoenix’s Josh Jackson and Denver’s Jamal Murray, league sources told ESPN.

This is not the strategy I’d take.

The Cavaliers are as much on the cusp of a title as any other team can be while these Warriors exist. It’s so hard to reach that point, I wouldn’t downgrade even a feint chance at a championship this year for a boost in rebuilding back to this point in some vague future. The Cavs, without shame, could go the entire career of whatever player they get for Irving without contending for a title. They know the opportunity is in front of them right now.

If LeBron committed to Cleveland long-term, I’d prioritize players who could help the next 2-3 years. If he won’t commit long-term, I’d push all-in for this season – one last chance to win a championship with LeBron. That means targeting players whose value is mostly derived from the upcoming season – players on expiring contracts and older players. (The Cavs already missed on the player who, by far, best fits that mold: Paul George.)

LeBron might be less likely to return to a team ravished by 2018 free agency and aging, but a title this season would last forever. It also might be harder for him to leave a defending champion.

The Cavaliers’ actual strategy seemingly has a clearer effect. If LeBron hasn’t made up his mind, this could push him out. He might even be leaning toward re-signing with the Cavs. But that becomes far less appealing if the team stocks up on young players not ready to win.

Ultimately, LeBron must bear the weight of Cleveland going down this path. He allows rumors about the Lakers to linger unchecked – even feeding into them. If he wanted the Cavaliers to build around him, he could signal his commitment. Instead, he has only expressed his dismay – directly and indirectly – with their offseason.

I think this is largely about power – LeBron wanting the Cavs to commit to him without him committing to them. They do all the heavy lifting of building a roster for him, and he might return, or he might not. It’s a game they’ve played before, and one I’d play again. They seem tired of it.

It’s technically not too late for LeBron to privately pledge loyalty and send the organization on a different trade route. This report might even be from Cleveland, trying to light a fire under him. But it seems extremely unlikely for LeBron to become suddenly committal.

And then there’s Irving. The Cavaliers want a young star? Good luck finding someone better than Irving. Porzingis, Tatum, Jackson and Murray all offer more team control – and that’s extremely important, especially if Irving is unhappy in Cleveland. But the Cavs would be surrendering talent in all deals besides Porzingis – plus the chance Irving rescinds his trade request in a post-LeBron world.

Maybe the Cavaliers should just keep Irving another year and hope the distractions remain mild enough that the team can still compete for a title. If LeBron returns and/or Irving still wants out, they could always trade Irving next summer.

Right now, Cleveland has a shot at the 2018 championship and a 25-year-old four-time All-Star. It seems the Cavs are fine losing both.

Per ProBasketballTalk

[King_B_Mack]

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Who the hell wrote that article? A championship this year will last forever? No the hell it won't. We had the GOAT win 6 here in Chicago 20 years ago and that go for broke last one in '98 isn't no where near lasting forever. That's a crock of ****.

LeBron is gone next year. Set yourself up to make life after he goes as smooth as possible.


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[CMH]

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Who the hell wrote that article? A championship this year will last forever? No the hell it won't. We had the GOAT win 6 here in Chicago 20 years ago and that go for broke last one in '98 isn't no where near lasting forever. That's a crock of ****.

LeBron is gone next year. Set yourself up to make life after he goes as smooth as possible.


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ESPNWoj.

RIP to the dropper of bombs.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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The article was written on the site I mentioned earlier, written by someone else.

But everything from "Cleveland is determined" to "The Cavaliers find themselves" is from Woj.


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