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  • ojandpizza
    Hall Of Fame
    • Apr 2011
    • 29807

    #4861
    Re: 2017 Offseason Thread



    Despite all the other rumors surrounding them all summer, they actually had a really good off-season.

    If Rose, Green, Crowder can be more consistent options than what Deron, Frye, and Derrick were they’ve already upgraded.

    Considering they weren’t going to be able to fix their defensive issues in one offseason I think they did about as good of a job as possible here. Crowder can come in and guard the quicker wings, LeBron move to the 4’s, and Thompson the stretch 5’s. Would be better than what they had last year.

    Big question is will they still fall off the face of the earth when LeBron sits. I don’t know how much of that was Kyrie going iso on his own, or Lue just not having anything else to run.. Maybe with Kyrie out the ball will move a little with these newer guys. If nothing else they can slow the pace and play through Love to keep the other side from doing too much damage too quickly.

    It’ll be interesting to see when IT gets healthy how he meshes with them. I don’t think he’s the player Kyrie is but he could end up a better fit for Cleveland. I think he’ll dribble less, move the ball better, and he likes to get himself to the line which is better considering he lacks the size to take contested step backs all game like Kyrie.. Thinking on all those times he got doubled on those P-n-R plays in Boston, that’s probably not going to happen with LeBron or Love setting those screens rather than guys like Crowder or Johnson. Maybe cleaner looks for him, and more touches for the other guys as well.

    The biggest question mark here is Jeff Green. He just turned 30 and should be in what would be his prime years. But he’s bounced around and been worthless as of late. If he can play the way he did a couple seasons ago, attack, a good enough shooter that you have to stay honest, defend two positions at a solid rate, he could be a big addition. Theoretically a younger, longer, version of what Jefferson is. But if not, it’ll be another wasted Derrick Williams type of signing.


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    • 3304Life
      MVP
      • Sep 2016
      • 3002

      #4862
      Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

      Woah woah let's not talk about Frye in the past tense. If he ever leaves then Road Trippin would never be the same.


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      • ProfessaPackMan
        Bamma
        • Mar 2008
        • 63852

        #4863
        2017 Offseason Thread

        Outside of Thomas and Crowder, they brought in a bunch of washed has beens.

        To say they had a "really good" offseason is overstating it just a bit. But it's also better than them just standing pat so I'll give them credit for that.
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        • ojandpizza
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 29807

          #4864
          Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
          Outside of Thomas and Crowder, they brought in a bunch of washed has beens.

          To say they had a "really good" offseason is overstating it just a bit. But it's also better than them just standing pat so I'll give them credit for that.


          Well yeah, I’m typing that assuming Thomas will end up being fine like he says he will be. You can’t lose Kyrie and not get back an All-Star level guy and expect to still be good.

          But otherwise I guess it just depends on what your definition of a good off-season would be. They’ve been to 3 straight finals, aside from bringing in a 4th all-star level guy there is only so many ways to see improvement. Their starting 5 was a top 5 team in the league at +/-, points, threes, assists, rebounds, forcing turnovers, steals..

          Their biggest issues are the defense needs work, they are old and slow against teams that can spread you out, and they are horrible when LeBron goes to the bench. So bad that back in March this past year the teams Net Rating when he sat was twice as bad as the Lakers.

          If Crowder, Green, Rose, give them more athletic options than Deron, Jefferson, Frye, they’ve already upgraded as far as being more athletic, if lineups with Crowder in allow them to defend small ball rotations, or even Green in place of Frye, they improved there, and if they can get a more collective effort to not collapse with LeBron off the floor they’ve improved there too.

          It’s not often you can improve on all of your weaknesses in one off-season. Yeah some of these guys are “washed”, but it’s not like they are having to beat out guys who weren’t. I’ll be shocked if Rose isn’t better than Deron playing with LeBron and Co, Green is a bigger question mark but if he’s more reliable than Derrick Williams, and can help defend against lineups that Frye is to slow to stay on the court against that’s an upgrade regardless of how washed he is.


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          • Fresh Tendrils
            Strike Hard and Fade Away
            • Jul 2002
            • 36131

            #4865
            Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

            Is it just me or is ironic that a person with a Grizzlies avatar never talks about the Grizzlies?



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            • ojandpizza
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 29807

              #4866
              Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

              I’ve talked on the Grizz in here. But for the most they are never in the headlines or do much of anything worth talking about lol.




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              • Vni
                Hall Of Fame
                • Sep 2011
                • 14833

                #4867
                Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                I’ve talked on the Grizz in here.
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                Correct.

                April 29th of 2011 at 10:45 pm you were absolutely exctatic after game 6 against the spurs and you posted :

                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                oh cool
                If that's not a true fan right there I don't know who is.

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                • King_B_Mack
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 24450

                  #4868
                  Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                  The thing about that OJ is that all that stuff are massive 'ifs.' Now granted every offseason move is basically an 'if.' The difference is that all of those guy's track records are on the wrong side of the 'ifs' they need to make this a successful offseason. You're absolutely right that if everything works out you can look back and say they had a good offseason considering who they lost, but as of right now with the question marks around each one of those guys outside of Crowder, it's damn near impossible to say they had a good offseason.


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                  • TheShizNo1
                    Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 26341

                    #4869
                    Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

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                    • ojandpizza
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 29807

                      #4870
                      Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                      Massive? Idk. I think if Thomas’s health was THAT big of a concern going forward then the trade wouldn’t have happened. He’s the only if there is, everyone else is at worst still an upgrade.

                      Rose definitely isn’t what he used to be, but last year he showed he was capable of being a starting caliber PG in the league. Even if he was the worst starter in the league, which he was probably close. Come playoff time Deron Williams didn’t even look like he belonged on a roster. Rose could come in and be worse than he’s ever been and he’s still an upgrade over what they had. Hell Calderon might even be an upgrade considering he can at least hit the open shots. Deron couldn’t even do that by the end of the season.

                      Crowder helps them. And Green is at worst case scenario a guy who just doesn’t crack the rotation. He’s a body who’s bigger than Crowder, RJ, yet more mobile than Frye. In small ball rotations he could easily sub for Love/TT and matchup with someone like Draymond for a few minutes. They couldn’t even play Frye against Golden State. He’s not really a massive “IF” at all considering his role.

                      Now if they were in a position to need starter production from Rose, Crowder, and Green, that would be a massive if. Using them to replace Deron, James Jones, and take situational minutes from Frye/RJ? They’re pretty much an upgrade even at worst case scenario.




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                      • Themayorofawsometown
                        Pro
                        • Sep 2015
                        • 1101

                        #4871
                        Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by ojandpizza
                        I’ve talked on the Grizz in here. But for the most they are never in the headlines or do much of anything worth talking about lol.




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                        If signing Rio and Ben McLemore isn't worth talking about I don't know what is(tho Rio is always worth talking about to me)

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                        • ProfessaPackMan
                          Bamma
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 63852

                          #4872
                          Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                          OJ in prime regular season spin mode already. [emoji1490]

                          My man is ready for NBA to start, I can see already.


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                          • King_B_Mack
                            All Star
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 24450

                            #4873
                            Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                            Man OJ I can't with you lol.

                            How is IT the only if? Derrick Rose just had another meniscus surgery bro. Much as I love him, you can't depend on that dude to be there for you through a whole season and deep playoff run.

                            Green has been terrible for some time now and the plan is for him to just be better now cause you're Cleveland and you signed him.

                            IT isn't even JUST about his injury status as dude needs the ball in his hands to be effective and he's not going to get that playing with PG LeBron and we don't really know how he's going to adjust to that change if at all.

                            Again if everything works it's a good offseason when you consider what they lost in Kyrie, but as of right now it's not a good offseason what they did, it's not a bad offseason either because of the potential the changes bring, but it certainly isn't good just on the strength of losing a franchise point guard who was supposed to be the future of their team.


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                            • ojandpizza
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 29807

                              #4874
                              Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                              Man OJ I can't with you lol.

                              How is IT the only if? Derrick Rose just had another meniscus surgery bro. Much as I love him, you can't depend on that dude to be there for you through a whole season and deep playoff run.

                              Green has been terrible for some time now and the plan is for him to just be better now cause you're Cleveland and you signed him.

                              IT isn't even JUST about his injury status as dude needs the ball in his hands to be effective and he's not going to get that playing with PG LeBron and we don't really know how he's going to adjust to that change if at all.

                              Again if everything works it's a good offseason when you consider what they lost in Kyrie, but as of right now it's not a good offseason what they did, it's not a bad offseason either because of the potential the changes bring, but it certainly isn't good just on the strength of losing a franchise point guard who was supposed to be the future of their team.


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                              The difference here is, unlike with LeBron, the team is still a good team without Kyrie in the lineup. If you're telling me Rose, Crowder, and Green isn't better than Deron Williams and James Jones, then we can just go ahead to agree to disagree then. Their bench is improved, they got more athletic, and when IT is back they have a guard that reads the p-n-r better than Kyrie did.

                              As for losing the point guard who was supposed to be the future of the team, obviously he didn't want to be the future of this team. He would have likely left when his contract ended if they hand't moved him. Considering the pick they got in exchange they upgraded in that department too.

                              You're looking at this too much as an on paper move. It's not about Jeff Green just suddenly being a better player, it's about him being able to do the things they weren't able to do last year because their roster wasn't flexible. They literally couldn't play Frye against some line-ups because he cannot come into the game and defend an offense that spreads you out. He could not come in and guard Draymond Green, he could not switch onto those high ball screens. Likewise Thompson could be neutralized because they could basically leave him wide open anywhere on the court. He can't do anything at the offense end. Jeff Green can come in and match-up with someone like Green, and you can't just leave him wide open like Thompson.

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                              • DieHardYankee26
                                BING BONG
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 10178

                                #4875
                                Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                                Did dis dude just say you're looking at this too much as an on paper move, and then tout Jeff Green, the human hypothetical, as the difference maker? Bruh.
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