2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

[CaseIH]

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Mehh, hand check wasn't that bad then either. You could keep contact but not so much that it impeded any player movement. They banned that back in the 70's.


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Hand checking was prevalent in the 90's. Derick Harper of the Knicks was a master at it.

There has been many of discussion about this I imagine everywhere that NBA is talked about, on how MJ would score even more in todays game with not being able to hand check any longer.

However I dont think with a player like Harden or Westbrook hand checking would prevent them much in way of doing what they do, with as big and strong as they are.

The most benefit that todays players have from a rule change is the toning down of the physical play night in and night out.

Yes come playoff time, they allow more of it and the farther you get each series the more they allow it. Even then the game isnt as physical as it use to be, because of the risk of getting suspended and such.

Plus players have also evolved, as has the game, to where you typically always have atleast 4 players who can knock down the 3, and some teams have 5 guys on the court who can shoot the 3 ball. Which has also eliminated some of the banging in the post that we use to see regardless of rule changes.

[JazzMan]

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The only flaw in Quin Snyder is his infatuation with Shelvin Mack.

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Gobert is too slow footed to be out on the perimeter this series.

[DJ_Solis]

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Yes! Let's get Utah out of here asap. Steph already has Gobert doing circles.


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[JazzMan]

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Our best bet is to just be as physical with them as possible. Knock them on their ***. We aren't trying to play physical at all against them so far.

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[3304Life]

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The Jazz are giving the Warriors way too much respect here. Hayward just dribbled around the key looking for the perfect shot when he could have driven and been fouled or just shot a jumper over Pachulia. Then Hill gives up a 3 because Durant(?) was running back on defense.


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Why Mike Brown dissing JaVale giving all his minutes to Pachulia

[CaseIH]

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The Jazz are giving the Warriors way too much respect here. Hayward just dribbled around the key looking for the perfect shot when he could have driven and been fouled or just shot a jumper over Pachulia. Then Hill gives up a 3 because Durant(?) was running back on defense.


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TBH, the Jazz players know deep down, they cant beat the Warriors. 1 thing Barkley said that make sense is 1st you have to believe you can win, before you have any shot. He used that when talking about Toronto players not believing they can beat the Cavs. I think it fits the Jazz players too more than likley, with all the younger players 1st experience in the playoffs.

Jazz are hanging closer than I thought they might this game so far anyway. I was worried the Warriors might do to them what the Rockets did to the Spurs last night.

[3304Life]

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I think if you're in the second round of the playoffs you have to believe you can beat anybody, even if it is delusional.


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[JazzMan]

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Jazz are a couple Hayward bricked threes from being right at GSW's doorstep.

We really haven't played well, aside from Rodney Hood this quarter.

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[DJ_Solis]

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Warriors are 7-26 from three and still blowing out the Jazz. They haven't necessarily played well, but that's still a bad sign for them.


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[CaseIH]

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I think if you're in the second round of the playoffs you have to believe you can beat anybody, even if it is delusional.


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You would think so, but I got what Barkley was saying. But when your facing Lebron, who always gets his teams to the finals, it probably is a little disheartening at times when your facing a Lebron team who always gets to the finals, or a team that is stacked like the Warriors. Deep down I could see them having doubts on being able to win the series.

I like that the Jazz are staying in the game, you can bet they will play hard regardless on who they are playing. Even if Hayward and Hill wasnt on that team, Id still root for them, just because of the way they play. I think Quinn Snyder is 1 heck of a coach. I thought he did a heck of a job as a college coach, I hated hearing that he broke the rules, I think he would have made a great college coach if he had did it the right way.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

Gordon's gotta play better for them to have a chance. Or at least play more aggressive like he did in the 4th quarter of game 7.

Golden St showed(not that needed to prove this)again that they can still find other ways to beat you even if they can't hit 3's. And last night, it was about their defense.

[wwharton]

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Not at all. But I think his gameplan was to switch, which puts a big on the offensive player 70% of the time. And Houston runs mostly pick n rolls.

Do you think that is a good gameplan?

Edit: Why not trap Harden on pick and rolls or hedge is where I'm lost.

I wish I had came to this thread first... just wrote about the difficulty of guarding the PnR and the options against the Celtics and Thomas specifically. In many ways, the same could apply to guarding the Rockets and Harden specifically.

Honestly, the hope against the PnR is that bad screens are set or the screener slips early (these happen A LOT) but if they're setting good screens, match up problems will happen... or someone will be available for an open shot. This is pretty much every time. The best strategy is to mix up how you attack a PnR and that's hard to do consistently and have all guys consistently on the same page.

I don't think you're wrong for criticizing a strategy of switching, considering the results we saw. But some switches may have not been strategy (if the plan involves any option that doesn't hedge or double) but just a result of good screens. They also may have been using multiple strategies and the ones that stick out are those that worked horribly.

In short, I just really doubt it's as simple as Pop putting together a strategy that results in a PF/C guarding Harden out by the 3 point line. It makes more sense that a situation like that is a result of an offensive strategy working better than the defensive strategy for that possession.

[The 24th Letter]

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Lowe with a good break down on what the Spurs can do to counter the Rockets

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19300000/zach-lowe-lamarcus-aldridge-san-antonio-spurs-nba-playoffs

I was literally just saying this:

The Spurs should keep moving Danny Green around. Harden doesn't have the attention span for it. He lost track of Green several times, and Green missed a bunch of open 3s.

One wrinkle that might be a Green original: cutting along the baseline to the strong side of a pick-and-roll -- usually a no-fly zone, since it clutters up driving lanes:

Green started doing that in the 2013 Finals against Miami. The Heat hadn't seen it before; they nicknamed it "the Danny Green cut." Erik Spoelstra stole it during Miami's first-round series against Charlotte last season, and it flummoxed the always-prepared Hornets.

It's a weird cut that muddies the usual weakside help assignments. Green needs to make Harden work on defense. Popovich needs to trust Green more. He has earned it over a half-decade now. Yanking him two minutes into the game for falling victim to the Harden Flail was a scolding fit for a January game against Sacramento -- and not the second round of the playoffs.

The Spurs aren't advancing without at least 25-plus good minutes from Green.