Some of you people are so hypocritical about Artest

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it will all come out who hit Artest, it was reported that it was the guy in the cap. After all, the guy that Artest pushed down was holding a drink already.

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it will all come out who hit Artest, it was reported that it was the guy in the cap. After all, the guy that Artest pushed down was holding a drink already.

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Silverstring, I always respect your opinion......it's just here's where we disagree.

You know what, if someone threw a beer at my face, even with my wife and kids there, I would walk away

Not happening. I don't care if it was Shaq, if someone did something like that to me in front on my wife and kids, best believe I would go after them. 99.9% chance of me losing my upper row of teeth, but don't ever cross the line like that.

Remember, these are guys that NO ONE ever wants to fight. No one wants to get in a fight with guys 6'7+, 220+ lbs. So they're rarely tested. And when some fat, rolly polly kids come disrespecting you, that's just 10 times worse.

There's a saying- don't start none, won't be none.

Don't think that you can just freely hurl stuff at people and they won't react to it.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Silverstring, I always respect your opinion......it's just here's where we disagree.

You know what, if someone threw a beer at my face, even with my wife and kids there, I would walk away

Not happening. I don't care if it was Shaq, if someone did something like that to me in front on my wife and kids, best believe I would go after them. 99.9% chance of me losing my upper row of teeth, but don't ever cross the line like that.

Remember, these are guys that NO ONE ever wants to fight. No one wants to get in a fight with guys 6'7+, 220+ lbs. So they're rarely tested. And when some fat, rolly polly kids come disrespecting you, that's just 10 times worse.

There's a saying- don't start none, won't be none.

Don't think that you can just freely hurl stuff at people and they won't react to it.

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"He was on top of me, pummeling me," fan Mike Ryan of Clarkston said. "He asked me, `Did you do it?' I said, `No, man. No!'"

If you are a professional athlete, you should try some kind of restraint especially considering all the families and kids that are at the games. Now if someone does that to you on a personal level.......that is your choice.

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"He was on top of me, pummeling me," fan Mike Ryan of Clarkston said. "He asked me, `Did you do it?' I said, `No, man. No!'"

If you are a professional athlete, you should try some kind of restraint especially considering all the families and kids that are at the games. Now if someone does that to you on a personal level.......that is your choice.

[Silverstring]

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Silverstring, I always respect your opinion......it's just here's where we disagree.





Not happening. I don't care if it was Shaq, if someone did something like that to me in front on my wife and kids, best believe I would go after them. 99.9% chance of me losing my upper row of teeth, but don't ever cross the line like that.

Remember, these are guys that NO ONE ever wants to fight. No one wants to get in a fight with guys 6'7+, 220+ lbs. So they're rarely tested. And when some fat, rolly polly kids come disrespecting you, that's just 10 times worse.

There's a saying- don't start none, won't be none.

Don't think that you can just freely hurl stuff at people and they won't react to it.

I understand where you're coming from, in a sense, but you have to look at this rationally(which would be difficult in the heat of the moment, I acknowledge, but still necessary). I have read entirely too many news stories where someone escalated a confrontation by reacting physically, and the end consequences were dire, sometimes even deadly. What if the person you were provoking had a hidden gun/knife, or one of their friends did? What if they were skilled in some sort of fighting style you were unaware of, and could pummel you regardless of size? I wouldn't want my wife or kids to grow up with a disfigured father, a seriously injured father, or, worse, without a father/husband at all. If you walked away, sure you may get laughed at or somebody would keep pushing your buttons, but, in the end, the chances are greater that it would end with a spilled beer and some hurt feelings. Escalating the situation would have a greater chance of bring it to a more dangerous level. You don't know what strangers are capable of. I know a guy who looks small and lithe, but he has two blackbelts in martial arts disciplines and can literally kill someone with one blow. Imagine if this man had a temper/short fuse, and I tried to confront him based on me throwing a beer in his face. He could kill me. I'd rather avoid that, cooler heads would prevail, and my family would be better off the next day. You have to sometimes put things like "respect" aside and think of the larger consequences. Perhaps some guy threw a beer in your face, you reacted, and his friend at the restaurant/wherever reacted by going after your wife/kid while you were tied up with the first individual? See what I mean? It would be worse than simply taking a beer to the face and having a stain on your shirt. You need to think of all possibilities, especially in the face of uncertainty. I know my wife and kids wont lose respect for me for putting their interests and safety over my personal conception of "respect".

[Silverstring]

Re: Some of you people are so hypocritical about Artest

Silverstring, I always respect your opinion......it's just here's where we disagree.





Not happening. I don't care if it was Shaq, if someone did something like that to me in front on my wife and kids, best believe I would go after them. 99.9% chance of me losing my upper row of teeth, but don't ever cross the line like that.

Remember, these are guys that NO ONE ever wants to fight. No one wants to get in a fight with guys 6'7+, 220+ lbs. So they're rarely tested. And when some fat, rolly polly kids come disrespecting you, that's just 10 times worse.

There's a saying- don't start none, won't be none.

Don't think that you can just freely hurl stuff at people and they won't react to it.

I understand where you're coming from, in a sense, but you have to look at this rationally(which would be difficult in the heat of the moment, I acknowledge, but still necessary). I have read entirely too many news stories where someone escalated a confrontation by reacting physically, and the end consequences were dire, sometimes even deadly. What if the person you were provoking had a hidden gun/knife, or one of their friends did? What if they were skilled in some sort of fighting style you were unaware of, and could pummel you regardless of size? I wouldn't want my wife or kids to grow up with a disfigured father, a seriously injured father, or, worse, without a father/husband at all. If you walked away, sure you may get laughed at or somebody would keep pushing your buttons, but, in the end, the chances are greater that it would end with a spilled beer and some hurt feelings. Escalating the situation would have a greater chance of bring it to a more dangerous level. You don't know what strangers are capable of. I know a guy who looks small and lithe, but he has two blackbelts in martial arts disciplines and can literally kill someone with one blow. Imagine if this man had a temper/short fuse, and I tried to confront him based on me throwing a beer in his face. He could kill me. I'd rather avoid that, cooler heads would prevail, and my family would be better off the next day. You have to sometimes put things like "respect" aside and think of the larger consequences. Perhaps some guy threw a beer in your face, you reacted, and his friend at the restaurant/wherever reacted by going after your wife/kid while you were tied up with the first individual? See what I mean? It would be worse than simply taking a beer to the face and having a stain on your shirt. You need to think of all possibilities, especially in the face of uncertainty. I know my wife and kids wont lose respect for me for putting their interests and safety over my personal conception of "respect".

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I would really hope your wife will even stay with you after seeing you get disrespected like that. Its not only disrespecting you but its disrespecting her and your children. What if the person threw the beer on her or your child? What are you gonna say? "Its ok honey, just go the bathroom and wash it off". A man who wont fight for his family? Hmm..

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I would really hope your wife will even stay with you after seeing you get disrespected like that. Its not only disrespecting you but its disrespecting her and your children. What if the person threw the beer on her or your child? What are you gonna say? "Its ok honey, just go the bathroom and wash it off". A man who wont fight for his family? Hmm..

[bigeastbumrush]

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I understand where you're coming from, in a sense, but you have to look at this rationally(which would be difficult in the heat of the moment, I acknowledge, but still necessary). I have read entirely too many news stories where someone escalated a confrontation by reacting physically, and the end consequences were dire, sometimes even deadly. What if the person you were provoking had a hidden gun/knife, or one of their friends did? What if they were skilled in some sort of fighting style you were unaware of, and could pummel you regardless of size? I wouldn't want my wife or kids to grow up with a disfigured father, a seriously injured father, or, worse, without a father/husband at all. If you walked away, sure you may get laughed at or somebody would keep pushing your buttons, but, in the end, the chances are greater that it would end with a spilled beer and some hurt feelings. Escalating the situation would have a greater chance of bring it to a more dangerous level. You don't know what strangers are capable of. I know a guy who looks small and lithe, but he has two blackbelts in martial arts disciplines and can literally kill someone with one blow. Imagine if this man had a temper/short fuse, and I tried to confront him based on me throwing a beer in his face. He could kill me. I'd rather avoid that, cooler heads would prevail, and my family would be better off the next day. You have to sometimes put things like "respect" aside and think of the larger consequences. Perhaps some guy threw a beer in your face, you reacted, and his friend at the restaurant/wherever reacted by going after your wife/kid while you were tied up with the first individual? See what I mean? It would be worse than simply taking a beer to the face and having a stain on your shirt. You need to think of all possibilities, especially in the face of uncertainty. I know my wife and kids wont lose respect for me for putting their interests and safety over my personal conception of "respect".

I completely understand your point.

That being said...

What if they threw beer all over your mother?

[bigeastbumrush]

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I understand where you're coming from, in a sense, but you have to look at this rationally(which would be difficult in the heat of the moment, I acknowledge, but still necessary). I have read entirely too many news stories where someone escalated a confrontation by reacting physically, and the end consequences were dire, sometimes even deadly. What if the person you were provoking had a hidden gun/knife, or one of their friends did? What if they were skilled in some sort of fighting style you were unaware of, and could pummel you regardless of size? I wouldn't want my wife or kids to grow up with a disfigured father, a seriously injured father, or, worse, without a father/husband at all. If you walked away, sure you may get laughed at or somebody would keep pushing your buttons, but, in the end, the chances are greater that it would end with a spilled beer and some hurt feelings. Escalating the situation would have a greater chance of bring it to a more dangerous level. You don't know what strangers are capable of. I know a guy who looks small and lithe, but he has two blackbelts in martial arts disciplines and can literally kill someone with one blow. Imagine if this man had a temper/short fuse, and I tried to confront him based on me throwing a beer in his face. He could kill me. I'd rather avoid that, cooler heads would prevail, and my family would be better off the next day. You have to sometimes put things like "respect" aside and think of the larger consequences. Perhaps some guy threw a beer in your face, you reacted, and his friend at the restaurant/wherever reacted by going after your wife/kid while you were tied up with the first individual? See what I mean? It would be worse than simply taking a beer to the face and having a stain on your shirt. You need to think of all possibilities, especially in the face of uncertainty. I know my wife and kids wont lose respect for me for putting their interests and safety over my personal conception of "respect".

I completely understand your point.

That being said...

What if they threw beer all over your mother?

[Silverstring]

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I would really hope your wife will even stay with you after seeing you get disrespected like that. Its not only disrespecting you but its disrespecting her and your children. What if the person threw the beer on her or your child? What are you gonna say? "Its ok honey, just go the bathroom and wash it off". A man who wont fight for his family? Hmm..

Obviously you didn't read my reasoning, and/or don't have the foresight to consider what could potentially be larger consequences. I'm not saying I wouldn't fight for my family, I'm saying I would take the path that ensures the greatest possibility of safety for my wife and kids. Sometimes, reacting physically is not that path, plain and simple.

[Silverstring]

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I would really hope your wife will even stay with you after seeing you get disrespected like that. Its not only disrespecting you but its disrespecting her and your children. What if the person threw the beer on her or your child? What are you gonna say? "Its ok honey, just go the bathroom and wash it off". A man who wont fight for his family? Hmm..

Obviously you didn't read my reasoning, and/or don't have the foresight to consider what could potentially be larger consequences. I'm not saying I wouldn't fight for my family, I'm saying I would take the path that ensures the greatest possibility of safety for my wife and kids. Sometimes, reacting physically is not that path, plain and simple.

[Silverstring]

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I completely understand your point.

That being said...

What if they threw beer all over your mother?

I wouldn't want to endanger my mother either, so the same concept applies. Now, again, if we're sitting there and someone takes an unprovoked swing at my mother, I will take whatever physical response is necessary to get that person away from my mother and place her out of harms way. But a thrown beer and a taunt or two is not enough, in my opinion, considering other circumstances.