2018 Off-Season Thread

[jeremym480]

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No, I would not trade Tatum or Brown for Kawhi. Ainge however will trade anyone at anytime so you never know what could happen. But I just want one full season of the core guys we already have, if that’s ok.

This is pretty much my take as well. I'm not sure Brown will ever be Kawhi but I do believe that he will be an All-Star one day. I think Tatum is on the way to being the next Celtics great so he's basically untouchable for me. Kyrie or Hayward would almost have to go in order to make things work financially and adding one of those plus Brown or Rozier is just too much for me and honestly I'd prefer to keep them anyway.

I'm 100% fine with standing pat, however knowing Pop's rule of not trading with the other teams in the West makes me very uneasy about this. Because if Kawhi ends up on a team like Cleveland (with LeBron) or Milwaukee I'm going to be upset. To make matters worse there's a "rumor" that LeBron wants the 76ers to trade for Kawhi and then he would sign there. A potential lineup of Simmons, Covington/Redick, Kawhi, LeBron and Embiid scares the hell out of me.

I just need the Spurs, Pop, and Kawhi to work things out so that he can stay on a good team in the West that will at least give the Warriors/Rockets a nice run for their money year in and year out. Just stay out of the East is really all I'm asking.

[RedSceptile]

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Stop hiring one person to handle both head coaching and GM duties. 🗣

That seems like a smart idea!

No.

[redsox4evur]

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Wow yall really going back and forth over a Screamin A ESPN proposed trade scenario?



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Sad thing is this isn’t even the worst Kawhi to Boston proposal I’ve seen. Saw one from some San Antonio beat writer saying the Celtics should trade Tatum, Brown and the Kings pick.

Also I’m out on giving anything of huge for Kawhi. Dude has been cleared by doctors for months yet refuses to play. He’s not wanting to play because he fears injury and losing the chance at getting his super max next offseason. The most I’d consider going is Smart, Morris/Baynes, and any first we have not from Sacremento.
And people are really overvaluing the value Kawhi is going to have this offseason when the Spurs shop him around the league. First off because superstars don’t bring back tremendous value (See Butler, PG, Kyrie, CP3 last offseason) and second of all he played like 10 games last season making his value at an all time low.


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[ojandpizza]

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This is pretty much my take as well. I'm not sure Brown will ever be Kawhi but I do believe that he will be an All-Star one day. I think Tatum is on the way to being the next Celtics great so he's basically untouchable for me. Kyrie or Hayward would almost have to go in order to make things work financially and adding one of those plus Brown or Rozier is just too much for me and honestly I'd prefer to keep them anyway.

I'm 100% fine with standing pat, however knowing Pop's rule of not trading with the other teams in the West makes me very uneasy about this. Because if Kawhi ends up on a team like Cleveland (with LeBron) or Milwaukee I'm going to be upset. To make matters worse there's a "rumor" that LeBron wants the 76ers to trade for Kawhi and then he would sign there. A potential lineup of Simmons, Covington/Redick, Kawhi, LeBron and Embiid scares the hell out of me.

I just need the Spurs, Pop, and Kawhi to work things out so that he can stay on a good team in the West that will at least give the Warriors/Rockets a nice run for their money year in and year out. Just stay out of the East is really all I'm asking.

Idk about that Philly “rumor”, I’m not sold on the idea that LeBron wants to leave. Seems like he’s over the whole “I’m a failure if I don’t win x amount of rings” thing. But that would be a very good team. Philly has a top 10 pick they can throw San Antonio’s way, along with Saric maybe. Of course Cleveland also has a top 10 pick, can give them back George Hill and Thompson to make the money work.. if LeBron really did want to play with Kawhi.




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[VDusen04]

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Stop hiring one person to handle both head coaching and GM duties. ��

I think that's a fashionable opinion and I respect it but I don't know if I'm ready to cast aside that approach altogether.

I think Stan Van Gundy's role was often misunderstood in Detroit, as though he were single-handily running the sidelines and front office all on his own. In fact, during the season, just about all front office duties were relegated to Jeff Bower and his crew of scouts and assistants. The setup was actually pretty intricately planned and well organized. Just about every transaction completed was months in the making, after Bower and the support staff had gone through all possible channels, possibilities, and breakdowns.

That doesn't mean it was a perfect system immune to poor decisions, but it was far, far away from being what a lot of people pictured, where a fuming Van Gundy gets pissed one day and says, "Forget it, I'm trading for Blake Griffin."

Separately, I'm in the minority but I would have liked to see Van Gundy have a chance to operate with a completely healthy roster. I think it's easy to forget that he inherited a team led by Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, and Greg Monroe when he took over in 2014. He had that franchise in the postseason two seasons later before some random injuries (Reggie Jackson's, in particular) threw a lot of things askew these past two seasons. I would have been interested to at least see what he could do with a healthy Drummond, Jackson, and Griffin lineup.

Oh well.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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[The 24th Letter]

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I would have liked to see a full year under SVG as well...

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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[rdnk]

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Separately, I'm in the minority but I would have liked to see Van Gundy have a chance to operate with a completely healthy roster. I think it's easy to forget that he inherited a team led by Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, and Greg Monroe when he took over in 2014. He had that franchise in the postseason two seasons later before some random injuries (Reggie Jackson's, in particular) threw a lot of things askew these past two seasons. I would have been interested to at least see what he could do with a healthy Drummond, Jackson, and Griffin lineup.

Oh well.

That's the big "what if". If Reggie had been healthy in 2017 and 2018 or even just one of those seasons, Detroit is likely in the playoffs and we're not having this conversation.

SVG was not handling the GM duties. That was Jeff Bowers. Now Bowers reported to SVG, which is the uniqueness in the structure, compared to how most teams have it set up. I would argue that Detroit was set up differently than Minnesota or the Clippers are/were with Thibs and Rivers respectively.

[AlexBrady]

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It is wishful thinking to believe that a healthy Reggie Jackson and a full season of Blake Griffin would have made the difference between making the playoffs or not.

SVG is much too emotional on the bench, lacks any imagination on offense (go brawn or go long), and makes few or elementary adjustments during a game. His players clearly did not respect him.

[Vni]

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It is wishful thinking to believe that a healthy Reggie Jackson and a full season of Blake Griffin would have made the difference between making the playoffs or not.

SVG is much too emotional on the bench, lacks any imagination on offense (go brawn or go long), and makes few or elementary adjustments during a game. His players clearly did not respect him.

Sounds kind of like Thibodeau.

[Majingir]

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Dwane Casey wins coach of the year (the one voted on by coaches)

Ironically, the last coach to win coach of the year and be fired in the same offseason was George Karl, who got fired by the Nuggets a week after Ujiri left to come to Toronto. Don't know if Casey will win coach of the year voted on by the media, but the coaches in the NBA think he deserves it.

[AlexBrady]

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Sounds kind of like Thibodeau.

Not at all. Thibodeau insists on getting a hard-working effort on defense out of his players. Not an easy task at all since so many of his players lack the ability/wherewithal to defend. Thibs' in game and between game adjustments are outstanding. The guy is a mastermind.

[areobee401]

Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

Dwane Casey wins coach of the year (the one voted on by coaches)

Ironically, the last coach to win coach of the year and be fired in the same offseason was George Karl, who got fired by the Nuggets a week after Ujiri left to come to Toronto. Don't know if Casey will win coach of the year voted on by the media, but the coaches in the NBA think he deserves it.

Others to receive at least one vote.

Philadelphia’s Brett Brown
Houston’s Mike D’Antoni
Indiana’s Nate McMillan
San Antonio’s Gregg Popovich
Utah’s Quin Snyder
Portland’s Terry Stotts
Los Angeles Clippers’ Doc Rivers.

[SPTO]

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Dwane Casey wins coach of the year (the one voted on by coaches)

Ironically, the last coach to win coach of the year and be fired in the same offseason was George Karl, who got fired by the Nuggets a week after Ujiri left to come to Toronto. Don't know if Casey will win coach of the year voted on by the media, but the coaches in the NBA think he deserves it.

It had to be a pretty awkward end of season availability for Ujiri. He was asked questions about Casey and he was effusive but said everything is on the table in terms of evaluation. I daresay Masai would've been more forthcoming and open in his comments if Casey weren't named the NBACA coach of the year.