2018 Off-Season Thread

[BluFu]

Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

Whoever is the coach next season, if there isn't any different results in the playoffs, then all the guys with expiring deals should be traded. Sure they do have big contracts, but I'm sure it'd be much easier to deal those guys with 1 year remaining on their contract.

Turn that 3 year window into a 2 year window + 1 year rebuild if needed.

Masai's plan

[Majingir]

Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

No love for Assistant Coach Drake?

That's future head coach Drake to you

[SPTO]

Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

This makes no sense at all.

You’d rather bypass the guy who’s proven he can actually coach and develop talent with an actual system because of “Well, he coached the Hawks and they have a history of being mediocre so I’ll pass”? And go with the Assistant who for all we know is a Casey Clone because...?

Except he isn't, he embraced the more current style of basketball and has been credited with the growth of some of the younger players on the current Raptors roster. He's a younger guy with fresher ideas. I think he'd be just fine.

Budenholzer just seems to be a boring coach who may have a system but I honestly don't think his style fits in Toronto.


BTW as for Lowry, I think he may be on his way out so that "leader" comment is going to look bad. If anything DeRozan is probably more the leader of the two. Hell, Van Vleet is more of a leader than Lowry in some respects!

[Majingir]

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Except he isn't, he embraced the more current style of basketball and has been credited with the growth of some of the younger players on the current Raptors roster. He's a younger guy with fresher ideas. I think he'd be just fine.

Budenholzer just seems to be a boring coach who may have a system but I honestly don't think his style fits in Toronto.


BTW as for Lowry, I think he may be on his way out so that "leader" comment is going to look bad. If anything DeRozan is probably more the leader of the two. Hell, Van Vleet is more of a leader than Lowry in some respects!

Lowry should be one of the guys to go, but how can they trade him? Unless there's a team out there that's willing to trade for him without Raptors having to take back cap dump, I don't see Lowry being dealt. Perfect scenario would be not taking back any cap dumps, and getting a top pick out of it.

[SPTO]

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Lowry should be one of the guys to go, but how can they trade him? Unless there's a team out there that's willing to trade for him without Raptors having to take back cap dump, I don't see Lowry being dealt. Perfect scenario would be not taking back any cap dumps, and getting a top pick out of it.

I've heard Colangelo still has mad love for Lowry. There were even some rumors when he first took the Philly job that he was angling to acquire him. Not sure if that's still something that can be put on the table right now though.

[ggsimmonds]

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I don't know yet if I agree with firing Casey. I have to see what kind of changes to the roster they make in the offseason.

I think you can make a good argument for both sides though. One could argue that firing the coach plus making large changes to the roster could be too much change at once, but one could make an equally compelling argument that leveraging current assets for a fresh start is the better move long term.

[Majingir]

Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

I've heard Colangelo still has mad love for Lowry. There were even some rumors when he first took the Philly job that he was angling to acquire him. Not sure if that's still something that can be put on the table right now though.

If Philly was good when Lowry was a FA, I'm sure he would've thought of going there. If Lowry was a FA even this offseason, I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to go to Philly.

Lowry from Philly and the GM who acquired him in Toronto is in charge there too, just seems like it would work. Give up that Lakers pick!

[DrJones]

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Kyle Lowry is 32. He's owed 31 million in 2018/19 and 33.3 million in 2019/20. He pees his shorts in the playoffs every year. I'm only a casual NBA fan, but that doesn't sound like much of a valuable trade asset to me.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Except he isn't, he embraced the more current style of basketball and has been credited with the growth of some of the younger players on the current Raptors roster. He's a younger guy with fresher ideas. I think he'd be just fine.



Budenholzer just seems to be a boring coach who may have a system but I honestly don't think his style fits in Toronto.

What style? Y’all were just an ISO Ball reliant team a year ago and then finally decided to adapt with the rest of the league, which is what Bud did in Atlanta(Pace and Space, relying on multiple off ball actions and emphasis on 3 ball). Not sure what being “boring” has to do with being a good coach but ok.

I just know from past experience that when teams promote the Assistant to become HC, 9 times out of 10, they usually aren’t much different than their predecessor.

But this all depends on what they want to do going forward because if they want to hit that reset button(again)then it makes sense to go with younger, unproven option. And if they want to keep going with this current roster and add pieces while thinking they’re still almost there(spoiler alert: they’re not)then it makes sense to go with proven retread and shoot your shot against Lebron again.

[SPTO]

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What style? Y’all were just an ISO Ball reliant team a year ago and then finally decided to adapt with the rest of the league, which is what Bud did in Atlanta(Pace and Space, relying on multiple off ball actions and emphasis on 3 ball). Not sure what being “boring” has to do with being a good coach but ok.

The Raptors 905 squad played the more current pace and space type of basketball being employed by the league today. They were doing it even in the last year of the Raps being an ISO team. Stackhouse was clearly in charge of the identity of that team and won a championship with them a couple years ago and made the Finals this year. He was only an assistant with the Toronto Raptors for a year and wasn't really involved in the gameplanning.

So he isn't an assistant in the same vein you're talking about.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Hawks Coaching News

The Hawks reportedly narrowed their coaching search to four assistants – the 76ers’ Lloyd Pierce, Trail Blazers’ Nate Tibbetts, Hornets’ Stephen Silas and Celtics’ Jay Larranaga.

Now, it appears Atlanta is closing in on one.

Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN:

Philadelphia 76ers assistant Lloyd Pierce met with Atlanta Hawks officials for a third time on Friday, emerging as the primary focus of the franchise’s head-coaching search, league sources told ESPN.

A formal offer is expected as soon as today, league sources said.

Pierce is experienced in player development, especially with the 76ers tanking the previous few years. The Hawks, as they just get started rebuilding, will need plenty of that.

Atlanta has John Collins, Taurean Prince, three first-round picks in the upcoming draft (the fourth slot in the lottery, No. 19 and No. 30), all its own future first-rounders and an extra top-10-protected selection from the Cavaliers. It’s a decent start, but the Hawks must draft well then groom that young talent.

They’re apparently counting on Pierce for the latter.

[SPTO]

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It was to be expected that Philly assistants would get poached.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

I hope he wins Coach of the Year now lmao

Imagine if the Jazz fired Jerry for losing to Jordan twice

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Not even a comparison. Sloan lost to Jordan twice in the NBA Finals. My dude was literally 2 wins from a championship in back-to-back season whereas when he wasn’t getting curb stomped by LeBron in the playoffs, Casey has been losing to the Nets and the Wizards early every year.



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[JazzMan]

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Alright then, imagine if Utah canned him after a 60-win season when they lost to Hakeem and the 6th seed Rockets

Casey IMO shoulda been gone after the Washington sweep

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[dubcity]

Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

Warriors in talk w/ Klay Thompson for team-friendly contract extension that would keep him off the market. https://theathletic.com/350689/2018/...ff-the-market/

Seriously, **** these guys and their sacrificing, lol. He'd be leaving $50 mil on the table!

California taxes would just kill him even more if he took more money lol. Quality of life and team chemistry is often worth more than money alone, obviously.