2018 Off-Season Thread

[ggsimmonds]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

So in the official record books should they just go ahead and list this coming season as "2018-2019 Scouting Season"

[JazzMan]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

Golden State aside

I asked a question about other teams and didn't get an answer, and now i'm asking YOU specifically 24th Letter

What are these other teams doing to get better, especially the top ones?


It's just a question.

The main one is Houston. Obviously their cap is ruined, but they lost Ariza and haven't made a move to replace his production yet. But they did take a big step in re-signing CP3, showing that they want to compete now and worry about the money later. Also are probably going to lock Capela back in.

New Orleans had uncertainty obviously surrounding Cousins, who knows what the real reason is for them moving on from him and getting Randle. But the core pieces are still there, and not paying Boogie will make room to bring back Mirotic, as well do some MUCH needed filling on the wings. Jrue's probably back to point guard.

Utah re-signed Favors, brought back Sefolosha, and will likely bring back Exum on some team-friendly deals. They also drafted an NBA-ready guard in Allen and likely aren't done making moves yet.

You see what the Lakers are doing.

OKC brought back George and has been active as well, bringing in some much needed depth at center in Noel.

Denver brought back all of their guys, hoping Millsap will be healthy this year. Their roster became one of the most expensive in the league this summer.

Portland is doing dumb things, I'll admit. If I'm Lillard I'm getting out of there.

Dallas brought in Doncic and DeAndre.

So most teams are improving. You have some outliers that haven't done jack **** yet, but you also have the OKC's, Utah's, and Denver's showing that they're not afraid to spend money to put together a quality team. It's just nobody expected DeMarcus ****ing Cousins to sign with the Warriors.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

The only people that were rooting for that were LeBron fans, Lakers fans, and people sick of the Warriors' domination. The Warriors already are a superteam, they've won 3/4 NBA titles and they just got the best or 2nd best C in the league as a year rental. They don't need anyone else but the rich get richer.

People clamoring for LeBron teaming up with Kawhi + PG was to be able to challenge GS. Can't be that f'n team without another superteam, and now idk how you even describe them; Monstar team? Super Duper team? What's the next level?

The possibility of a LeBron/Kawhi/Boogie or whatever team made it interesting to see if they could challenge GS' throne. There is literally no counter for this Boogie to GS move. Check f'n mate, it's a wrap.

They don't have an absolute NEED for Boogie I don't think, but the 5 was CLEARLY the weak link of that team.

Houston scared the **** out of them and according to the popular opinion if it wasn't for Chris Paul getting hurt, they were going to lose last year. But whateves it's always different when it comes to them.

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Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

The main one is Houston. Obviously their cap is ruined, but they lost Ariza and haven't made a move to replace his production yet. But they did take a big step in re-signing CP3, showing that they want to compete now and worry about the money later. Also are probably going to lock Capela back in.

New Orleans had uncertainty obviously surrounding Cousins, who knows what the real reason is for them moving on from him and getting Randle. But the core pieces are still there, and not paying Boogie will make room to bring back Mirotic, as well do some MUCH needed filling on the wings. Jrue's probably back to point guard.

Utah re-signed Favors, brought back Sefolosha, and will likely bring back Exum on some team-friendly deals. They also drafted an NBA-ready guard in Allen and likely aren't done making moves yet.

You see what the Lakers are doing.

OKC brought back George and has been active as well, bringing in some much needed depth at center in Noel.

Denver brought back all of their guys, hoping Millsap will be healthy this year. Their roster became one of the most expensive in the league this summer.

Portland is doing dumb things, I'll admit. If I'm Lillard I'm getting out of there.

Dallas brought in Doncic and DeAndre.

So most teams are improving. You have some outliers that haven't done jack **** yet, but you also have the OKC's, Utah's, and Denver's showing that they're not afraid to spend money to put together a quality team. It's just nobody expected DeMarcus ****ing Cousins to sign with the Warriors.

Thanks, Jazzman

I think some of those moves are just lateral, not getting better. Basically just staying where they were, just a year older.


I do think Dallas is finally starting to get it together.... they still got that Bricks contract on the books though.

Portland went backward.

I think Denver is up and coming but they're holding on to Faried for no reason.

Lakers obviously

I like what Utah did last year, but they're not going to get past Houston with the same team are they?

OKC - perennial pretenders.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

Chris Haynes reporting that it was down to Boston and Golden State for Cousins.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

Getting Cousins was far fetched this year anyway. No cap space and no reports of trade talks regarding the relevant players (Porter, Mahinmi). And even if they did have the room, I can understand the hesitation behind giving him a max contract after his injury.

Like someone else said, Cousins actually made a brilliant move.

Look at it this way, we can use this season to see where he is at and then prepare a run next year.

I didn't expect them to get Boogie and don't expect him to come to DC in his career.

What I was hoping, for some reason, was there would be some type of plan in place to replace Gortat that didn't rely on Norlen Noel or scrapping Dwight off the trash heap.

Last season was a wash and this season isn't looking any better.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

I didn't expect them to get Boogie and don't expect him to come to DC in his career.

What I was hoping, for some reason, was there would be some type of plan in place to replace Gortat that didn't rely on Norlen Noel or scrapping Dwight off the trash heap.

Last season was a wash and this season isn't looking any better.

I'm sad to say that when it comes to Ernie, hope was lost a long time ago.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

Thanks, Jazzman

I think some of those moves are just lateral, not getting better. Basically just staying where they were, just a year older.


I do think Dallas is finally starting to get it together.... they still got that Bricks contract on the books though.

Portland went backward.

I think Denver is up and coming but they're holding on to Faried for no reason.

Lakers obviously

I like what Utah did last year, but they're not going to get past Houston with the same team are they?

OKC - perennial pretenders.

Now, as far as these 'lateral moves' , what would you have done differently being in these teams position to move the needle?

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[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

Chris Haynes reporting that it was down to Boston and Golden State for Cousins.

Oh I'm sure the pitchforks would have been out for sure if he went to Boston.....pfft.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

Lakers only shot at even competing is landing Kawhi and getting Dwight on the cheap and him magically getting his head out of his ***.

Thunder need Noel to turn into an immediate star and Melo to turn the clock back 5 or 6 years.

Houston is ****ed lol.


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[redsox4evur]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

The modern NBA athlete is spineless but I'll still watch. Hoping for big things from Boston and Philadelphia.

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Boston isn't doing anything big, Ainge is happy to bring the squad back and run it back because of the injuries.

The league owned the NO at the time. And all the owners came together and vetoed the trade. Sending Chris Paul back to New Orleans. To months later being traded to LA Clippers. NO had no owner. So the rest of the league owned.

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People really forget this. This wasn't Stern the commissioner vetoing the trade, it was Stern the owner. They get all hot and bothered about this trade but I haven't seen 1% of the same vitriol for Dan Gilbert because he refused to deal Kyrie to the Suns for Paul George (they have vitriol because he screwed up with Lebron on the team.

Chris Haynes reporting that it was down to Boston and Golden State for Cousins.

I doubt we were actually in on Boogie. When was a part of trade rumors last year we had 0 interest because Brad didn't want anything to do with the headcase Boogie.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

Of course here comes OJ with the "but that was different though..." mess. Go somewhere with that OJ. The elite teams in the league are playing on a different level from the rest of us man. It's an arms race and Golden State is mopping the floor with them. It's the same thing LeBron has been trying to do. It's the same thing that EVERY team in the league would do in their situation but we gotta sit through all this whining because they're pulling their moves off? If they'd have replaced JaVale with Dwight Howard dudes would have STILL been bitching about the league being a joke even though everybody has been clowning Dwight as trash since 2011.

It’s not, and I literally can’t even fathom you seriously believing it is. Like I just have to assume someone as logical as you is just trolling. LeBron is trying to get a team that can compete with them. Guys who have never played together, for a coach they’ve never played for, in a system they’ve never been a part of, to try and put together something that can compete with the juggernaut.

None of that is remotely close to the GS situation. This would be like your 96 Bulls saying “man we are great, but how good would we but if next year we could replace Harper and Longley with Payton and Shaq”.. that type of ****.


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[JazzMan]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

Thanks, Jazzman

I think some of those moves are just lateral, not getting better. Basically just staying where they were, just a year older.


I do think Dallas is finally starting to get it together.... they still got that Bricks contract on the books though.

Portland went backward.

I think Denver is up and coming but they're holding on to Faried for no reason.

Lakers obviously

I like what Utah did last year, but they're not going to get past Houston with the same team are they?

OKC - perennial pretenders.

No Ariza is HUGE for Utah in a potential Rockets series. Ariza was Mitchell's primary defender all series. Not to mention, Rubio was out the entire series and, for as much flak as this might get, he's an integral part of our team and what Donovan is able to do offensively.

Things get tough when you don't have your floor general out there against Chris Paul and James Harden.

Also IIRC Faried has been on Denver's trade block for years now. Wonder when they'll just attach a pick to him in a trade and call it a day. Thought this year might be the year, but they had to take on a chance on Porter Jr., he's too good to pass up at 14.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

Lakers only shot at even competing is landing Kawhi and getting Dwight on the cheap and him magically getting his head out of his ***.

Thunder need Noel to turn into an immediate star and Melo to turn the clock back 5 or 6 years.

Houston is ****ed lol.


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Noel can turn into prime Shaq and they’ll still be a lottery team, OJ. Come on now, stick with the narrative.

[Ragnar53]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

Thanks, Jazzman

I think some of those moves are just lateral, not getting better. Basically just staying where they were, just a year older.


I do think Dallas is finally starting to get it together.... they still got that Bricks contract on the books though.

Portland went backward.

I think Denver is up and coming but they're holding on to Faried for no reason.

Lakers obviously

I like what Utah did last year, but they're not going to get past Houston with the same team are they?

OKC - perennial pretenders.

I think if Rubio was healthy the Jazz had a legitimate shot at winning against the Rockets. Mitchell can play PG. Doesn't mean he should. Throws his game out of wack.


OKC doesn't have any floor spacing or 3 point specialists. They are probably hoping Fergurson takes that next step but he just looks like Terrence Ross to me.


Denver can't find anyone to take Faried's contract. If Quincy Acy can put in the work to become a reliable 3 point shooter I have no idea why Faried hasn't taken that step to expand his range. And if not that, at least improved his post game (faceup game at least).


Portland has an owner that's content to stay put and keep earning revenue by virtue of his team being just good enough to get to the playoffs, but not being good enough to beat anyone come playoff time.