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  • RedSceptile
    MVP
    • Jun 2011
    • 3680

    #211
    Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

    Originally posted by SPTO
    Well another reason why Raptors fans are leering of Budenholzer is that we've seen this movie before. He basically went down the same road that the Raptors have gone through. It's like replacing the guy with another guy who did the exact same thing.
    That's literally not true. Not even remotely true. Budenholzer took over that Hawks team when its best player was Al Horford and no offense to Horford, if he's your best player you might do good but won't go very far. To top it all off he built a system based on Pace and Space for those guys and coached them to a franchise record in wins in his second season all while bringing out the absolute best play career wise for the likes of DeMare Carroll (remember him the guy you guys were calling the "LeBron Stopper" after having two good seasons in Atlanta), Jeff Teague, Paul Milsap. All unsurprisingly the moment he gets to Atlanta Al Horford literally starts shooting threes at a career rate and the same for Paul Millsap (which again you guys bragged during the season how Casey with the help of Nick Nurse really changed things on offense and how DeMar was shooting the most 3s of his career, it only took 7 seasons).

    So let's look at the facts. Budenholzer to inferior talent (no offense to Horford and Millsap) and absolutely brought the best out of them. Oh did I mention last season when he lost 4 of his best players in Al Horford, DeMarre Carroll, Kyle Korver, Jeff Teague and yet still managed a winning record with such stellar players as Tim Hardaway Jr., Dwight Howard? It's almost as if he developed a system that he could change depending on the player (because Dwight Howard certainly does not Allow Horford's shooting touch).

    Am I saying he is some super infallible coach? Absolutely not, every good-great coach can and will have issues. But to act as if he's Mike Brown or Vinny Del Negro is hilarious. Budenholzer is a good coach, there's a reason the guys here and almost internet wide have respect for him and what he has shown. There's a reason why we joked the Hawks are "San Antonio-lite" when he was the coach

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    • redsox4evur
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jul 2013
      • 18169

      #212
      Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

      Horford as the best player on the Celtics has taken them to back to back conference championships. If you don’t consider that far, then nothing is far.


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      • inkcil
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        • Jul 2002
        • 5253

        #213
        Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

        Again, unbelievable that one of the 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA that has his tram prepared to face LeBron didn't get a single vote from his peers. Ridiculous. Totally made the award a joke, especially after today.
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        • Majingir
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          • Apr 2005
          • 47562

          #214
          Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

          It's not so much that Budenholzer won't be a good coach, it's that the most recent similarity to the Raptors are probably the Hawks who just happened to be coached by Budenholzer.


          Though if something like Lebron going to Philly(or just staying in the east) happens, and seeing Celtics right now without their top guys, even with a new coach and similar roster, Raptors probably won't be much different result wise. They NEED a major shakeup. Not a rebuild/tank, just some big move.


          Media outlets here have been saying Casey could/should be fired for years now, and the moment he is, they all come to his defense and are like "Raptors shouldn't have fired Casey". I'm guessing the day that Lowry and/or DeRozan leave, these same outlets will suddenly act like both should've been kept longer term.


          Funny/fantasy idea suggested (and obviously 0% chance of happening), Raptors offer Lebron the same contract others will offer, except they also offer him the head coaching position lol. He'd literally be a player coach.

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          • georgiafan
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jul 2002
            • 11092

            #215
            Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

            Originally posted by Majingir
            It's not so much that Budenholzer won't be a good coach, it's that the most recent similarity to the Raptors are probably the Hawks who just happened to be coached by Budenholzer.


            Though if something like Lebron going to Philly(or just staying in the east) happens, and seeing Celtics right now without their top guys, even with a new coach and similar roster, Raptors probably won't be much different result wise. They NEED a major shakeup. Not a rebuild/tank, just some big move.


            Media outlets here have been saying Casey could/should be fired for years now, and the moment he is, they all come to his defense and are like "Raptors shouldn't have fired Casey". I'm guessing the day that Lowry and/or DeRozan leave, these same outlets will suddenly act like both should've been kept longer term.


            Funny/fantasy idea suggested (and obviously 0% chance of happening), Raptors offer Lebron the same contract others will offer, except they also offer him the head coaching position lol. He'd literally be a player coach.
            Do you expect them to a make a big move ? If so who would be the most likely to be traded ?
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            • Majingir
              Moderator
              • Apr 2005
              • 47562

              #216
              Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

              Originally posted by georgiafan
              Do you expect them to a make a big move ? If so who would be the most likely to be traded ?

              I don't expect them to make one, but they do need one.


              Valanciunas though is probably the one most likely to be dealt if anyone goes which I don't think should happen, but he has been the one they've shopped the most. With Casey (who never liked playing JV in the 4th) gone, the view on JV might change.


              Lowry/Ibaka are the ones who should be moved, but obviously their contract won't be moveable at all. Although, Masai is the guy who traded Bargnani, Gay and Carmelo and improved his team in each one of those trades despite those guys having big contracts, so anything is possible.

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              • areobee401
                Hall Of Fame
                • Apr 2006
                • 16771

                #217
                Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

                Well, since Raptors fans don't want him, let Budenholzer to Milwaukee become a reality. I want to see what he can do with Giannis, and what Giannis can do under his coaching.

                The Bucks are working to re-engage Budenholzer in talks that will include an ownership stake, per Woj.
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                • Sportsforever
                  NL MVP
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 20368

                  #218
                  Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

                  Raptors can't even go get the right coach? Might as well follow Meta World Peace's advice and let Drake coach the team.
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                  • DieHardYankee26
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                    • Feb 2008
                    • 10178

                    #219
                    Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

                    I saw Bud and ownership rights and immediately my Pat the Rat alarms went insane...

                    But I think they're saying he's coming in for another meeting that will include the owners, not that he will get an ownership stake.
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                    • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                      • Dec 2006
                      • 17294

                      #220
                      Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

                      Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                      I saw Bud and ownership rights and immediately my Pat the Rat alarms went insane...

                      But I think they're saying he's coming in for another meeting that will include the owners, not that he will get an ownership stake.
                      Yeah, Woj recanted that part.
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                      • areobee401
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 16771

                        #221
                        Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

                        Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                        I saw Bud and ownership rights and immediately my Pat the Rat alarms went insane...

                        But I think they're saying he's coming in for another meeting that will include the owners, not that he will get an ownership stake.
                        You would be correct. Woj clarified shortly after my post.
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                        • BluFu
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                          • May 2012
                          • 3596

                          #222
                          Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

                          Originally posted by RedSceptile
                          I still don't understand Raptors fans who think Budenholzer would be a bad pick up? I mean he literally took a team of literal who's to the first seed in the East and implemented an amazing offense and very good defense at the same time. I mean it's not like he got fired in Atlanta, he left because he didn't want to experience that rebuild. But sure I guess, he can be boring and go elsewhere. Because being boring has ever been this bad thing (see: Greg Popovich). But no, one of the most sought after coaches this off season because of his ability would be a bad fit.

                          Y'all are funny.
                          Bud is the best candidate by far but people are really shook over the fact that he's 0-8 vs the Cavs. The teams he was working with were a fair bit worse though but no one seems to be taking that into account. Any team would be grateful to have him

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                          • Vni
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 14833

                            #223
                            Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

                            Originally posted by BluFu
                            he's 0-8 vs the Cavs.
                            He fits like a glove.

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                            • JazzMan
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                              • Feb 2012
                              • 13547

                              #224
                              Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

                              Originally posted by inkcil
                              Again, unbelievable that one of the 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA that has his tram prepared to face LeBron didn't get a single vote from his peers. Ridiculous. Totally made the award a joke, especially after today.
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                              • areobee401
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 16771

                                #225
                                Re: 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

                                Mike Budenolzer is believed to prefer the head coaching vacancy with the Milwaukee Bucks over the Toronto Raptors. Per, Marc Stein.
                                http://twitter.com/smittyroberts

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