2018 Off-Season Thread

[turty11]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

so woj is saying melo would get moved to a random team to be waived as an expiring contract then go sign with houston/mia/la


nets, pistons, twolves (wiggins to okc?)?

[Majingir]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

so woj is saying melo would get moved to a random team to be waived as an expiring contract then go sign with houston/mia/la


nets, pistons, twolves (wiggins to okc?)?

If he gets dealt to another team, would OKC be taking back any player?

[Jeffx]

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I'm telling you, Melo is going down the Allen Iverson road. He just can't let his ego go lol. It's got to be about winning right now.

I've always felt Carmelo cares more about his "brand" than doing what it takes to lead, to win, to make your guys better.

[CMH]

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If he gets dealt to another team, would OKC be taking back any player?

Depends, does the team have cap space? But Thunder will almost surely have to include a pick.




Since we know it doesn't matter what team Melo ends up on, what's everyone's over / under on rumors that Carmelo is unhappy in his role by Christmas Day?

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[ojandpizza]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

I think Melo is fine in Houston and not only that but would start. Just move Tucker to the primary defensive role Ariza had and call it a day. Sure Melo+Tucker is a step back from Ariza+Tucker on defense, but that's just another players teams have to guard. Melo at his worst isn't blowing as many wide open looks as Ariza did in the playoffs and he knows when to shoot/drive rather than having to awkardly second guess himself every time he catches the ball. Just having him on the floor give them an option that defense have to think about, dudes leave Ariza on an island, sometimes it burns them sometimes not. Against GS it did not and they win the game if he even hit his average from the field rather than going 0/9..

Ariza is a good defender, but giving up 30 a night to Durant regardless. Houston goes to this finals this year if they had Melo in place of Ariza IMO.

[MaximumChaos84]

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I've always felt Carmelo cares more about his "brand" than doing what it takes to lead, to win, to make your guys better.

This..... That's why Thunder fans including myself can't wait till he is out of here on another note why would he want to go to Houston and be a third option again just like the situation he left in OKC.

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[23]

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MELO HAS A NO TRADE CLAUSE HE HAS TO WAIVE FIRST

[turty11]

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MELO HAS A NO TRADE CLAUSE HE HAS TO WAIVE FIRST

already waived

[23]

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already waived

So they're going to take back 20 something million in salary?

[ojandpizza]

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I love you OJ man. But you bugging.

Kawhi has been killing it at the elite level for two years. This isn't football where your argument would hold more weight and we see guys go from looking like studs and then nobodies the next season. Here we have a 164 game sample (probably less knowing Pop) in those two years of elite play. And that doesn't even include playoffs nor does it include tracking his ascension. Both of which have been damn good.

Those two years coincided with the years that Pop made him the focus offensively for the team. He was killing it all the way up until Zaza took him out. Hell even in that game he had something like 25 points before halftime and everyone to this day has been saying that the Spurs would've won the series if hadn't gotten hurt. So to say that we don't know if he can carry the load for a team is unequivocally false.

So two years instead of one? Lol people were saying they would win the series because they were wrong. LeBron just hung 50 on them and should have won game 1 and it wouldn’t have mattered in the slightest. Can’t judge a series, or I guess in this case someone’s whole career, on the basis of one game.

Spurs looked to him to carry the load in terms of being the leading scorer, which is not at all what I was saying and simply being a leading scorer doesn’t replicate my response in comparison to the Curry and Bron examples. They don’t have a whole system in place that was built upon strengths only he possesses. Hypothetically speaking, they just need a leading scorer to continue doing what they were doing with him, sans the elite defense.

Seems as if you're knocking him for not dribbling the air out of the ball until he can find someone to get them a shot. You can't expect that in Pops offense. And Kawhi was hella efficient as a player and made the right reads more times than not. When he was aggressive he got guys good shots from the attention on him, whether it resulted in an assist or the hockey assist.

Not knocking him for that, but sometimes you need someone who can do things like that. And no I’m not talking about dribbling the air out of the ball… I’m not talking about Pop’s system, we are talking about him hypothetically going somewhere else, not what he can or can’t do in Pop’s system. The fact that you have to point out “you can’t expect it in Pop’s system” how do we know if you can expect it elsewhere? That’s my point. In that sense teams have no idea what he is or isn’t capable of in terms of generating their offense. They know he can go get them 20 a game, but so can literally 30 other players in the league. Like I said he’s only had ONE season scoring the ball in line with the “elite” group of guys, I’m not saying he can’t replicate that again but we are acting he instantly regains that form rather than something closer to his mean or average of the past 2-3 years.

This is exactly what I meant in my post when I said people snap back with the "what do you mean he can't do this or that". I never said he wasn’t efficient, didn’t make the right reads, wasn’t aggressive, or anything else you mentioned. I don’t why it always has to be spelled out as one or the other. You either are or you aren’t. I’m speaking of him in comparison to the top tier guys, not the other 99% of the league, not saying he is't this or that. It has nothing to do with what he can/can’t do, it’s what he doesn’t do at the level of guys that have that pedigree and have proven it for multiple years now.

Kawhi is an NBA champion, a finals MVP, and has won DPOY twice as a perimeter player. He was better than Paul George without question.

I literally said in my post that he is better than Paul George. What I said was we have no idea if he can carry the load on a bad team the way PG did. We don’t’ we never saw it. Switch them around and who knows how each of them look. We sure as hell don’t.

[turty11]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

So they're going to take back 20 something million in salary?

apparently so. they will probably try to get some trash contract that expires even if they cant contribute just to ship melo out. send him to brooklyn for crabbe or something just to try to get some sort of 3pt production.

[lakers24]

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Damn, wish we could've gotten in on this. Ship Deng and a pick for Melo then waive him.

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Damn, wish we could've gotten in on this. Ship Deng and a pick for Melo then waive him.

I think Deng has another year on his contract though.

[jeebs9]

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Na na son.... We took a long *** time to get him out of Portland. That trade is going to have to wait.

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[JazzMan]

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At what point are NBA GMs going to realize Carmelo was hands down the worst player in the playoffs this year? Just seems ridiculous to me that there are actually teams out there thinking he's still a positive on the court.