NBA Draft 2019

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Zion draft is all about one thing. After Zion gets picked. Ja Morant or RJ Barrett or Jarrett Culver.

I think Culver can work himself into the second pick if the win the whole thing. But I also guess it's about who gets the second pick.

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After Zion I think teams will go for fit more than BPA, given that all of these guys are generally viewed as about the same level of prospect (not that I agree with that). Any team with a good PG isn't taking Morant at #2, say CLE or ATL. I'm not sure what Dallas would do if Morant was BPA.

That may be the saving grace for Knicks fans on May 14th. An order like...

PHX
CLE
ATL
NYK

I would imagine Morant would still be there for NY.

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I'm sure other articles will put Zion's historic freshman season into better perspective but looking at the raw numbers is hilarious.

This dude is 6'7" and shot 69% from the floor, in the ACC and with a tough OOC slate.

He shot 23% better from the floor than Barrett. 33% better than Reddish.

He was about one percentage point away from doubling Reddish's FG%

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I'm sure other articles will put Zion's historic freshman season into better perspective but looking at the raw numbers is hilarious.



This dude is 6'7" and shot 69% from the floor, in the ACC and with a tough OOC slate.



He shot 23% better from the floor than Barrett. 33% better than Reddish.



He was about one percentage point away from doubling Reddish's FG% [emoji38]

Hahaha that is pretty amazing though. But you know I'm not into the numbers like that. Cam had a tough season fitting in. I won't be shocked if he's another Devin Booker. Where all of a sudden he has all these other skills we never saw. But also won't be shocked if he becomes another Marvin Williams lol.

I'm noticing a lot of hate towards RJ for taking the last shot again. People are saying Zion should of had the ball. Seems like we're back to square one again with this lol.

I got a lot love for Culver right now. I thought he was taller. I was surprised to see he's 6'6. I thought he was in the 6'8-6'9 range.

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It’s hard to judge raw FG% for a player who dunks nearly all his makes and nearly everything that would be a miss sends him to the FT line.. still impressive none the less, just a bit unclear how it translates. We’ve not really had anything like it recently.

One thing for both Zion and RJ, there will be a big adjustment for them both on how they finish plays at the next level. All these plays where they are just slamming into defenders chest are rewarding them lots of free throws that look to be non shooting foul situations on how the NBA calls the verticality rule. I have seen plenty of situations for both of them where it looks as if the defender has been vertical and they are getting sent to the line.

Personally for me, I’m not sure I draft anyone ahead of those two though.




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I was pointing out those stats in a vacuum; I didn't intend for them to lead to talk about how it'd translate to the NBA. I agree that it means nothing for the next level but it is amazing for a college player.

As for drawing fouls, Barrett I'm concerned with because he's not great at it. He doesn't understand angles and just barrels into guys and often gets off balance/fades away or isn't going straight up to the rim. Zion, I'm not concerned. He's strong enough that when he runs into guys it's a battle that he's usually going to win (not so for Barrett) and he's going up strong the whole way to the rim. It's the NBA, offensive players get rewarded for initiating contact all the time, WAY more often than in the college game. He'll have a bit of an adjustment period as a rookie but he's so crafty around the rim even when he's not dunking that it's a non-issue for me.

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One of Jonathan Givony's tweets earlier in the year really stuck in my mind every time I watched Duke. With Cam Reddish finishing the season shooting 39% on 2 point shots, he will join the following list of players to shoot under 40% on 2 pointers in college and make it to the NBA:

Malachi Richardson - probably a Euro player or GLeague mainstay at this point
Andrew Harrison - same as Malachi
Josh Selby - Playing in South Korea
Randy Livingston - Had a 10 year career but only appeared in 200 games

Needless to say, Reddish is either going to be a gigantic outlier or he's going to be the top 10 bust that everyone should have seen coming from a mile away.

Is Jerome even supposed to be a first rounder?

Givony has Jerome going 28th to the Warriors at the moment. (Edit: His mock hasn't been updated in two weeks though)

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What's the draft stock of Carson Edwards now ?

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I was pointing out those stats in a vacuum; I didn't intend for them to lead to talk about how it'd translate to the NBA. I agree that it means nothing for the next level but it is amazing for a college player.

As for drawing fouls, Barrett I'm concerned with because he's not great at it. He doesn't understand angles and just barrels into guys and often gets off balance/fades away or isn't going straight up to the rim. Zion, I'm not concerned. He's strong enough that when he runs into guys it's a battle that he's usually going to win (not so for Barrett) and he's going up strong the whole way to the rim. It's the NBA, offensive players get rewarded for initiating contact all the time, WAY more often than in the college game. He'll have a bit of an adjustment period as a rookie but he's so crafty around the rim even when he's not dunking that it's a non-issue for me.

I actually think both will have a small adjustment period. But they should get to the line the on the regular.

One of Jonathan Givony's tweets earlier in the year really stuck in my mind every time I watched Duke. With Cam Reddish finishing the season shooting 39% on 2 point shots, he will join the following list of players to shoot under 40% on 2 pointers in college and make it to the NBA:

Malachi Richardson - probably a Euro player or GLeague mainstay at this point
Andrew Harrison - same as Malachi
Josh Selby - Playing in South Korea
Randy Livingston - Had a 10 year career but only appeared in 200 games

Needless to say, Reddish is either going to be a gigantic outlier or he's going to be the top 10 bust that everyone should have seen coming from a mile away.



Givony has Jerome going 28th to the Warriors at the moment.

Again these are stats I just don't trust. I think one of the biggest problems he had was not having the ball in his hands. And when he did drive it was a toss up. You either got nice moves finishes like this.

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But he need to get stronger. That's probably his biggest problem

What's the draft stock of Carson Edwards now ?

I think a Patty Mill kind of guy. Could be better in the right offense. He can light it up

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Again these are stats I just don't trust. I think one of the biggest problems he had was not having the ball in his hands. And when he did drive it was a toss up. You either got nice moves finishes like this.

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But he need to get stronger. That's probably his biggest problem

I imagine people told themselves the same thing as they were selling themselves on Malachi in the first round too. Maybe things will improve with NBA spacing, but being bad at all 3 levels of the floor doesn't bode well for him. If he didn't come into the season as a projected top 3 pick, I don't think anybody would be discussing him as more than a late 1st at best.

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Again these are stats I just don't trust. I think one of the biggest problems he had was not having the ball in his hands. And when he did drive it was a toss up. You either got nice moves finishes like this.

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This is where he reminds me of JR Smith. Has a pretty nice stroke yet can't hit a normal, easy shot but will make some absurdly creative, difficult shots that few others can. For some shooters, shooting off the dribble is better because it forces you to get into a rhythm: you have to use your legs, get your feet set, etc (for a good shot off the dribble, anyway). It's easier to get sloppy in catch-and-shoot situations. I would love to know what his percentages are off the dribble vs catch-and-shoot.

I don't think you can ignore that stuff YTG posted. There's no trick or complicated advanced stat or analytics here. He simply can't put the ball in the hoop. Reddish gets a ton of easy rhythm looks that he absolutely bricks. They have no chance of going in. Good shooters don't miss by that much that often.

I heard on the radio that Jay Williams thinks Reddish will be in the G-League next year. Some other talking heads are saying he should return to Duke.

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I imagine people told themselves the same thing as they were selling themselves on Malachi in the first round too. Maybe things will improve with NBA spacing, but being bad at all 3 levels of the floor doesn't bode well for him. If he didn't come into the season as a projected top 3 pick, I don't think anybody would be discussing him as more than a late 1st at best.

How old is Malachi? What 21? He has a great tournament that year. Didn't they go to the final four when he was 18?

This is where he reminds me of JR Smith. Has a pretty nice stroke yet can't hit a normal, easy shot but will make some absurdly creative, difficult shots that few others can. For some shooters, shooting off the dribble is better because it forces you to get into a rhythm: you have to use your legs, get your feet set, etc (for a good shot off the dribble, anyway). It's easier to get sloppy in catch-and-shoot situations. I would love to know what his percentages are off the dribble vs catch-and-shoot.

I don't think you can ignore that stuff YTG posted. There's no trick or complicated advanced stat or analytics here. He simply can't put the ball in the hoop. Reddish gets a ton of easy rhythm looks that he absolutely bricks. They have no chance of going in. Good shooters don't miss by that much that often.

I heard on the radio that Jay Williams thinks Reddish will be in the G-League next year. Some other talking heads are saying he should return to Duke.

I remember you saying that before. And agree with you. It's definitely JR Smith like.

Nasir Little just declared for the draft.

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How old is Malachi? What 21? He has a great tournament that year. Didn't they go to the final four when he was 18?

Still, he wasn't an efficient player. On the season he shot 36.9% from the floor 38.8% from inside the arc. In the tournament he shot 34.9% from the floor and 33.3% from inside the arc so he was actually worse in the Big Dance. That's heinous.

Cuse just got hot at the right time; they'd lost 5 of 6 going into the tournament and were 19-13. Wasn't that the year there was a bunch of controversy about them making the field? Even in their biggest win vs Virginia and Richardon's best scoring output of the tournament, he shot 37.5% en route to 23 points.

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Still, he wasn't an efficient player. On the season he shot 36.9% from the floor 38.8% from inside the arc. In the tournament he shot 34.9% from the floor and 33.3% from inside the arc so he was actually worse in the Big Dance. That's heinous.

Cuse just got hot at the right time; they'd lost 5 of 6 going into the tournament and were 19-13. Wasn't that the year there was a bunch of controversy about them making the field? Even in their biggest win vs Virginia and Richardon's best scoring output of the tournament, he shot 37.5% en route to 23 points.

Yes all of that is true. The level of tournament success that we've had these past few years when the team's overall play has fallen off so far from its Big East days has been really bizarre lol. Malachi was another one of those guys where he looked the part but it just never really worked on anything remotely close to a consistent basis. Oshae Brissett is that way too, but draft analysts aren't getting tricked by him like they were with Malachi.

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NBA Draft 2019

Givony has Jerome going 28th to the Warriors at the moment. (Edit: His mock hasn't been updated in two weeks though)

What's the draft stock of Carson Edwards now ?

He just updated his big board. Has Jerome #30 on the big board and Edwards #25 on the big board now.