Earl Boykins vs Shaq

[jmood88]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

Basketball players and fans are awed way to easily by a guy like Wallace. Stack him next to Ray Lewis, shirt off, and I guarantee Wallace looks like a wimp. And Ray ain't even that big. He goes about 6'0", 240. If he was 6'9", he'd go about 280. Ray would. And Ray only pushes about 400, now I know that's a lot for a basketball player/fan, but Ray is much bigger and stronger than Ben, and YET Ben claims to Bench 440. yeah right. No offense, if were talking about hops, I"ll admit i don't know much, I can't jump really. But if were talking lifting, I feel I know a thing or two. I'm about 6'5, 270, not to brag, but I'm not fat either. To me, Ben Wallace is very tall, but his size and strength don't impress me. Shaq does though. Ben is a tall guy that happens to be cut, but he's not large for his height.

Before you start your assumptions, I'm a football player and I am not awed by ben wallace. Just because someone looks big doesn't mean that they are automatically big and just because someone plays basketball doesn't mean that they are weaker than a football player. If you actually see ben wallace in real life then you will see how big he is. You obviously don't know anything about lifting since you claim that to have alot of muscle you have to appear big. Go somewhere else with that.

[jmood88]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

Basketball players and fans are awed way to easily by a guy like Wallace. Stack him next to Ray Lewis, shirt off, and I guarantee Wallace looks like a wimp. And Ray ain't even that big. He goes about 6'0", 240. If he was 6'9", he'd go about 280. Ray would. And Ray only pushes about 400, now I know that's a lot for a basketball player/fan, but Ray is much bigger and stronger than Ben, and YET Ben claims to Bench 440. yeah right. No offense, if were talking about hops, I"ll admit i don't know much, I can't jump really. But if were talking lifting, I feel I know a thing or two. I'm about 6'5, 270, not to brag, but I'm not fat either. To me, Ben Wallace is very tall, but his size and strength don't impress me. Shaq does though. Ben is a tall guy that happens to be cut, but he's not large for his height.

Before you start your assumptions, I'm a football player and I am not awed by ben wallace. Just because someone looks big doesn't mean that they are automatically big and just because someone plays basketball doesn't mean that they are weaker than a football player. If you actually see ben wallace in real life then you will see how big he is. You obviously don't know anything about lifting since you claim that to have alot of muscle you have to appear big. Go somewhere else with that.

[rbruns]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

Whatever. I guess you think that small guys are just as strong and powerful as big guys. So if that's not true, why are lineman always 280 lbs plus. By your own reasoning, you'd probably pick a bunch of 180 pound guys, since you claim size doesn't mean strength. Give me a break.

[rbruns]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

Whatever. I guess you think that small guys are just as strong and powerful as big guys. So if that's not true, why are lineman always 280 lbs plus. By your own reasoning, you'd probably pick a bunch of 180 pound guys, since you claim size doesn't mean strength. Give me a break.

[rbruns]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

If the basketball player is 5'5" and 135 pounds, they are not big strong guys. They are little guys, maybe strong for their SIZE, but they cannot bench a ton of weight compared to big dudes that aren't fat. Its just a matter of physics and science. When you have a big body and big muscles, it's easier to throw more weight around. Trust me, I know. When I was a senior in high school, I was only 6'5 195 pounds, I could barely bench 250 pounds. In college I filled out, I stopped growing and started getting a bigger frame, and lifting came easy for me. I simply didn't have the frame in high school to get bigger. Once my shoulders got broader, I got bigger boned, I could lift a lot. I had to fill out before I could lift a lot. That's why it's inconceivable that a small guy like Earl can lift a lot. Same for Ben. For their HEIGHT, they're built kind of frail. If Ben was only 6', he would weigh about 180 pounds. That's a average sized body frame. Same for Earl. I'm sorry, but 99.9 % of guys that can lift heavy weights have big bodies. I ain't going on a limb here.

[rbruns]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

If the basketball player is 5'5" and 135 pounds, they are not big strong guys. They are little guys, maybe strong for their SIZE, but they cannot bench a ton of weight compared to big dudes that aren't fat. Its just a matter of physics and science. When you have a big body and big muscles, it's easier to throw more weight around. Trust me, I know. When I was a senior in high school, I was only 6'5 195 pounds, I could barely bench 250 pounds. In college I filled out, I stopped growing and started getting a bigger frame, and lifting came easy for me. I simply didn't have the frame in high school to get bigger. Once my shoulders got broader, I got bigger boned, I could lift a lot. I had to fill out before I could lift a lot. That's why it's inconceivable that a small guy like Earl can lift a lot. Same for Ben. For their HEIGHT, they're built kind of frail. If Ben was only 6', he would weigh about 180 pounds. That's a average sized body frame. Same for Earl. I'm sorry, but 99.9 % of guys that can lift heavy weights have big bodies. I ain't going on a limb here.

[Nivek]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

If the basketball player is 5'5" and 135 pounds, they are not big strong guys. They are little guys, maybe strong for their SIZE, but they cannot bench a ton of weight compared to big dudes that aren't fat. Its just a matter of physics and science. When you have a big body and big muscles, it's easier to throw more weight around. Trust me, I know. When I was a senior in high school, I was only 6'5 195 pounds, I could barely bench 250 pounds. In college I filled out, I stopped growing and started getting a bigger frame, and lifting came easy for me. I simply didn't have the frame in high school to get bigger. Once my shoulders got broader, I got bigger boned, I could lift a lot. I had to fill out before I could lift a lot. That's why it's inconceivable that a small guy like Earl can lift a lot. Same for Ben. For their HEIGHT, they're built kind of frail. If Ben was only 6', he would weigh about 180 pounds. That's a average sized body frame. Same for Earl. I'm sorry, but 99.9 % of guys that can lift heavy weights have big bodies. I ain't going on a limb here.

No your DEAD wrong, the shorter you are in height the easier it is for you to bench. People with longer arms tend to stuggle and benchin' b/c they have thinner pectorals. Midgets can bench A LOT of weight....and so can Earl.

[Nivek]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

If the basketball player is 5'5" and 135 pounds, they are not big strong guys. They are little guys, maybe strong for their SIZE, but they cannot bench a ton of weight compared to big dudes that aren't fat. Its just a matter of physics and science. When you have a big body and big muscles, it's easier to throw more weight around. Trust me, I know. When I was a senior in high school, I was only 6'5 195 pounds, I could barely bench 250 pounds. In college I filled out, I stopped growing and started getting a bigger frame, and lifting came easy for me. I simply didn't have the frame in high school to get bigger. Once my shoulders got broader, I got bigger boned, I could lift a lot. I had to fill out before I could lift a lot. That's why it's inconceivable that a small guy like Earl can lift a lot. Same for Ben. For their HEIGHT, they're built kind of frail. If Ben was only 6', he would weigh about 180 pounds. That's a average sized body frame. Same for Earl. I'm sorry, but 99.9 % of guys that can lift heavy weights have big bodies. I ain't going on a limb here.

No your DEAD wrong, the shorter you are in height the easier it is for you to bench. People with longer arms tend to stuggle and benchin' b/c they have thinner pectorals. Midgets can bench A LOT of weight....and so can Earl.

[rbruns]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

Earl HAS thin perctoral muscles, that IS the point. IF earl was short and STOCKY, or short, but heavily muscled, he'd BENCH a LOT. But he's merely short, and not big chested. Look at a picture of him. He's got no chest, or pecs. If you have small pectoral muscles, or a small chest cavity, you don't bench a LOT. I agree w/you, if you have small pec muscles, and your chest cavity, is small you don't bench a lot. Earl has short arms, but unlike your point, he doesn't have big pec muscles, or a big chest. Somebody post a pic of him, he's small in the chest area, in every way. IF you have short arms, and a BIG chest, which Earl does not, THEN I agree you have an advantage over someone with LONG arms and a big chest. I understand the principles of leverage. I have LONG arms, even for my height, and it hurts me. But I also have a large chest area, so I compensate for it. But Earl doesn't have a BIG chest to go with his short arms. So your point is True, but Earl doesn't fit your description.

[rbruns]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

Earl HAS thin perctoral muscles, that IS the point. IF earl was short and STOCKY, or short, but heavily muscled, he'd BENCH a LOT. But he's merely short, and not big chested. Look at a picture of him. He's got no chest, or pecs. If you have small pectoral muscles, or a small chest cavity, you don't bench a LOT. I agree w/you, if you have small pec muscles, and your chest cavity, is small you don't bench a lot. Earl has short arms, but unlike your point, he doesn't have big pec muscles, or a big chest. Somebody post a pic of him, he's small in the chest area, in every way. IF you have short arms, and a BIG chest, which Earl does not, THEN I agree you have an advantage over someone with LONG arms and a big chest. I understand the principles of leverage. I have LONG arms, even for my height, and it hurts me. But I also have a large chest area, so I compensate for it. But Earl doesn't have a BIG chest to go with his short arms. So your point is True, but Earl doesn't fit your description.

[Lynsanity]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

Every person is different. Therefore there are differences with bone density, muscle and tendon fiber elasticity, and strength. Genetically, some ppl are geared to be stronger than others. Technique is also a factor.

Think of this, I never played football, but I lifted with the football guys. At my peak in 10th grade I benched a bit over 200 at a weight of 128 with a height of 5'11, and a vertical reach of 93. My body fat was about 5% with my muscle amount being a bit over 120, and my body frame being small.

Quite a few of the football guys were lifting around the same weights I was lifting, but at higher muscle/frame/weight ratios.

If you blend in the fact that I have longer arms with less muscle on a less dense frame, it factors into the weight actually seeming heavier for me, whereas it has a longer distance to travel, and a less sturdy structure to support it.

In simple terms, I was/am genectically stronger than many of the ppl that I was lifting with. In the case of EB, it simply means that the ppl you are refering to are bigger, but not stronger, as cell for cell, tendon for tendon, pound for pound, EB is most likely more genically gifted.

I know it may be hard to accept, but it is one of the parodoxes that science gives us. Size does not equal strength, and, some ppl have bodies that are more capable of lifting heavy weights, or withstanding certain pressures or stresses.

[Lynsanity]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

Every person is different. Therefore there are differences with bone density, muscle and tendon fiber elasticity, and strength. Genetically, some ppl are geared to be stronger than others. Technique is also a factor.

Think of this, I never played football, but I lifted with the football guys. At my peak in 10th grade I benched a bit over 200 at a weight of 128 with a height of 5'11, and a vertical reach of 93. My body fat was about 5% with my muscle amount being a bit over 120, and my body frame being small.

Quite a few of the football guys were lifting around the same weights I was lifting, but at higher muscle/frame/weight ratios.

If you blend in the fact that I have longer arms with less muscle on a less dense frame, it factors into the weight actually seeming heavier for me, whereas it has a longer distance to travel, and a less sturdy structure to support it.

In simple terms, I was/am genectically stronger than many of the ppl that I was lifting with. In the case of EB, it simply means that the ppl you are refering to are bigger, but not stronger, as cell for cell, tendon for tendon, pound for pound, EB is most likely more genically gifted.

I know it may be hard to accept, but it is one of the parodoxes that science gives us. Size does not equal strength, and, some ppl have bodies that are more capable of lifting heavy weights, or withstanding certain pressures or stresses.

[jmood88]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

Whatever. I guess you think that small guys are just as strong and powerful as big guys. So if that's not true, why are lineman always 280 lbs plus. By your own reasoning, you'd probably pick a bunch of 180 pound guys, since you claim size doesn't mean strength. Give me a break.

What the hell are you talking about? I know plenty of people who are 280+ pounds who are weak as hell and some who are strong. Just because you are big or skinny it doesn't affect your strength. And linemen are usually 280 pounds because they have to be big. You can't honestly say that every lineman is the strongest member of the team.

Trust me, I know. When I was a senior in high school, I was only 6'5 195 pounds, I could barely bench 250 pounds. In college I filled out, I stopped growing and started getting a bigger frame, and lifting came easy for me. I simply didn't have the frame in high school to get bigger. Once my shoulders got broader, I got bigger boned, I could lift a lot. I had to fill out before I could lift a lot. That's why it's inconceivable that a small guy like Earl can lift a lot. Same for Ben. For their HEIGHT, they're built kind of frail. If Ben was only 6', he would weigh about 180 pounds. That's a average sized body frame. Same for Earl. I'm sorry, but 99.9 % of guys that can lift heavy weights have big bodies. I ain't going on a limb here.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Just because you couldn't lift anything at your size doesn't mean that other people can. There is no reason for them to lie about how much they lift because basketball isn't a game that is dependent on strength. You don't know what you're talking about so just give it up.

[jmood88]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

Whatever. I guess you think that small guys are just as strong and powerful as big guys. So if that's not true, why are lineman always 280 lbs plus. By your own reasoning, you'd probably pick a bunch of 180 pound guys, since you claim size doesn't mean strength. Give me a break.

What the hell are you talking about? I know plenty of people who are 280+ pounds who are weak as hell and some who are strong. Just because you are big or skinny it doesn't affect your strength. And linemen are usually 280 pounds because they have to be big. You can't honestly say that every lineman is the strongest member of the team.

Trust me, I know. When I was a senior in high school, I was only 6'5 195 pounds, I could barely bench 250 pounds. In college I filled out, I stopped growing and started getting a bigger frame, and lifting came easy for me. I simply didn't have the frame in high school to get bigger. Once my shoulders got broader, I got bigger boned, I could lift a lot. I had to fill out before I could lift a lot. That's why it's inconceivable that a small guy like Earl can lift a lot. Same for Ben. For their HEIGHT, they're built kind of frail. If Ben was only 6', he would weigh about 180 pounds. That's a average sized body frame. Same for Earl. I'm sorry, but 99.9 % of guys that can lift heavy weights have big bodies. I ain't going on a limb here.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Just because you couldn't lift anything at your size doesn't mean that other people can. There is no reason for them to lie about how much they lift because basketball isn't a game that is dependent on strength. You don't know what you're talking about so just give it up.

[rbruns]

Re: Earl Boykins vs Shaq

Do you realize that every guy takes pride in his strength. Tell me someone doesn't, and your full of it. so of course there's temptation to lie. People also like to exaggerate. Guess you never heard or realized that before. And there is a definite correlation between size and strength. You're willfully being blind. Ever wonder why the guys that are lineman sized in the NFL lift more on than the dbacks? C'mon. Use your brain here. There is a varation within people of the same size, when it comes to strength, but only within reason. Thats why boxing and powerlifting have weight classes bro. Dude, you're making this way too complicated. I know you want to be right really bad, but all I'm saying is the obvious. When you lift weights, or lift heavy weights, you get bigger, your muscles do. And if you're a big guy, you lift more. If you're a teeny tiny little person, built more like a women, you don't lift much. Sure, Early is probably very strong for his body size, but that's about it. He's not built like Barry Sanders, for his height. Barry was also 5'8", kinda like Earl, who's 5'5". The reason Barry plays pro football and Earl plays basketball is Barry is bigger and stronger than EArl. Barry weighed close to 200 pounds, Early is a buck thirty five. You put Barry in the weight room, next to Earl, I guarantee he'd kill Earl, because he's bigger framed, has bigger muscles, etc. His weight reflects that. And as to your point, saying there are people that weigh 280 that can't lift much. Of course, if you're talking about a coach potato, that has 29 % body fat. No duh. But if you talk about a 280 pound like the guys in the NFL, that weigh that much not because their fat, but because their big boned, big MUSCLED, their gonna lift a lot. Its logic, bro. You can give me examples, but in every case, there's a reason for it. If Earl boykins had muscles like a Barry Sanders, I'd believe you. But Earl doesn't have muscles to prove his a lifter. Like I said, if you lift a lot, your muscles get bigger. You can tell when someone lifts, and lifts a lot, because it's reflected in their MUSCLE MASS. I hate to get technical, but some people just don't understand. Take Gary Trent in the NBA. He obviously lifts a lot, I guarantee you'd agree he lifts 315 +. Why? Because he's a big guy, and has big muscles. I know you get the point, but you're gonna argue anyway. But I'm not gonna just say, Oh ok, you're right. It's not like you've ever spotted Earl before, you're going by what some people say. We'll I know there's people that claim Santa Claus exists too. But unless there's somebody I know that saw Earl lift 315, I'm not gonna believe. Cuz it isn't sane to think that Early lifts that. and my Gary Trent argument proves it. Same for a guy like Jonathon Ogden. According to you, there's a good possibility that Ogden don't lift much. He's only 6'7" and about 350 pounds, but that don't matter, right? Please. Gimme a frickin break.