2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

[jeebs9]

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You're never going to win when 2 players on your team score twice as many points as the rest of the team.

That's just unfathomable. Even Giannis can't carry that load

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[YuNgWuN]

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Lowry and Derozan truly deserved each other. Although Derozan didnt play bad in the 1st round this year

His game 7 was nothing to write home about but yea he definitely put up better then Casper.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Can someone provide a contextual, hyperbole free analysis of his play over the last 5 years?

I’m trying to see something.

[YuNgWuN]

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Well I stopped watching about 3 years ago but he absolutely does all the "little" things .. pretty sure he has lead the league in charges taken the past 5 years? At least in top 5 which is pretty good for a pg. Great shooter when hes on. Looks like a mvp lite candidate on some nights in the regular season. All star the past 3 years? This year I would say shouldn't have been. His on off numbers always favour him being on the court. His stats from 2013 until 2017 are pretty solid especially 2016 and 2017... wtf happened? Age I dont know. Oh and almost every game WITHOUT Kawhi this season he looked pretty legit.

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[YuNgWuN]

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And last thing I'll add sometimes I think it's more then just this mental midget thing.. hes often hurt. Someone in here mentioned that longevity is part of an NBA season and I think Lowry is the epitome of a player who cant quite cut it in the longevity department. That's no excuse and I also think he tries to play through injuries far to often.. happened this year with his back.

[TMagic]

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Man don't defend that walking Hefty bag with this mess man. He's 33 right now (a mark he only just reached in March btw) what's the excuse for the last five years of him playing like complete garbage and like his name is Casper not Kyle? Plenty of guys are 33 and up that don't disappear in the playoffs every year. How many passes this dude gonna get?

How is that me defending him?

I'm saying he's "old". He's not going to get BETTER than he's been these last few years all of a sudden. And there are very few examples of any player at PG his age being able to carry sizable load in the regular season or beyond. Go ahead and see if you can list some. I'll wait.

I'm just saying people should probably temper expectations based on that and his history of floundering in the playoffs.

That's not giving him a "pass" at all. Lol

[King_B_Mack]

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How is that me defending him?

I'm saying he's "old". He's not going to get BETTER than he's been these last few years all of a sudden. And there are very few examples of any player at PG being able to carry sizable load in the regular season or beyond. Go ahead and see if you can list some. I'll wait.

I'm just saying people should probably temper expectations based on that and his history of floundering in the playoffs.

That's not giving him a "pass" at all. Lol

Explaining out the thought process of your statement like this I can see what you meant, but that's not how the original post reads. Even STILL dude JUST turned 33 not even 2 months ago, he's not OLD. There is no excuse for Kyle Lowry to continue to have these moments where he shrinks in the playoffs when the lights are brightest. He does this every single year so trying to chalk it up to him being old doesn't cut it. I could maybe see that argument if he hasn't literally spent every year of his playoff career doing this before now and then this year happened and people were railing on him. Yeah, that'd make sense at this point. It would especially be a lot less of a thing for him if Raptor fans didn't spend all season every year whining about respect and talking up how this year is different and scapegoating DeMar DeRozan as the reason they always came up short as if they weren't being called the Trash Bros for a reason.

[J_Posse]

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Explaining out the thought process of your statement like this I can see what you meant, but that's not how the original post reads. Even STILL dude JUST turned 33 not even 2 months ago, he's not OLD. There is no excuse for Kyle Lowry to continue to have these moments where he shrinks in the playoffs when the lights are brightest. He does this every single year so trying to chalk it up to him being old doesn't cut it. I could maybe see that argument if he hasn't literally spent every year of his playoff career doing this before now and then this year happened and people were railing on him. Yeah, that'd make sense at this point. It would especially be a lot less of a thing for him if Raptor fans didn't spend all season every year whining about respect and talking up how this year is different and scapegoating DeMar DeRozan as the reason they always came up short as if they weren't being called the Trash Bros for a reason.

Uh, not to jump into a conversation I'm not a part of but point guards usually see a dramatic dip in their play after they turn 30, so any continued slip in Kyle's game is natural. Also, there is the fact that he's undersized (I think he's listed @ 6'1" but he's probably closer to 6'), plays a "rugged" style (for a PG), has suffered a ton of injuries and also that he's mostly overachieved in his career.

His play has been piss poor in the playoff (what's new?), so there is no excusing that, but this is when someone else (Siakim, Ibaka, Gasol or VanVleet) steps up on this "vaunted" Raptors team.....

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I was laughing because Lowry was trending everywhere, and it wasn't good, and it wasn't "that's just Dre"

I wasnt going to say anything because pretty much everybody is roasting him now.

It's not even about being right. This franchise is in a crucial State right now and they didn't have the foresight to trade this dude for a bag of Cheetos with all of the party evidence is wild.




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[King_B_Mack]

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Yeah I get that but we're still missing the point here. Do PGs decline past 30? Sure okay but my man went 7 points on 2 for 10 shooting and only 5 assists. That's beyond horrible for a starting PG in the playoffs and that's not some natural decline of all 30+ PGs. Come on now. I'm not saying Lowry needs to be out of this world single handedly carrying the squad but he can't be THIS. He has to do better than this and just shrugging shoulders and saying he's old you can't expect much more is ridiculous. He's capable of more than this. We know this because he's shown as much.

[J_Posse]

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I was laughing because Lowry was trending everywhere, and it wasn't good, and it wasn't "that's just Dre"

I wasnt going to say anything because pretty much everybody is roasting him now.

It's not even about being right. This franchise is in a crucial State right now and they didn't have the foresight to trade this dude for a bag of Cheetos with all of the party evidence is wild.




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Masai overplayed his hand trying to "win now" with Kawhi (meh, Philadelphia did the same thing getting Butler/Harris). The only thing they needed to really do at the deadline was get rid of Norman Powell and upgrade the 6th man spot. They did neither and instead went all in with washed veterans like Gasol, Lin (off waivers), Meeks (off scrap heap) and dumped younger, more athletic players in Valanciunas (who is injury prone) and Wright (w/ picks?)

In one fail swoop they went from a nice mix of youth and experience to a veteran laden team. And they could still lose Kawhi and re-sign Gasol to compound things.



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[ojandpizza]

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I think in general people see he is an "All-Star" and just assume he should be out there doing Steph or Kyrie like things, or that he was a dominant level player like LeBron every regular season and has a massive playoff fall off every year.

For those who don't know, Kyle is not an efficient scorer even in the regular season, he's a streaky shooter and is not a Steph/Kyrie type who can just go out and create space and get his own looks whenever he wants.

Other than that, this season in particular I'm not sure how much to blame it all on playoff choking. He started off great this year but really he's looked rough ever since he went out with that injury. Hard to say he's completely disappearing when he's looked like *** for a couple of months now.

Overall he's been up and down in his playoff performances. Last season his points, assists, and shooting percentage were all up in the playoffs compared to regular season. Some series he's been way down, some about the same. He's an inconsistent shooter who can't create a shot, the defense dictates what he's able to do not the other way around.

[J_Posse]

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Yeah I get that but we're still missing the point here. Do PGs decline past 30? Sure okay but my man went 7 points on 2 for 10 shooting and only 5 assists. That's beyond horrible for a starting PG in the playoffs and that's not some natural decline of all 30+ PGs. Come on now. I'm not saying Lowry needs to be out of this world single handedly carrying the squad but he can't be THIS. He has to do better than this and just shrugging shoulders and saying he's old you can't expect much more is ridiculous. He's capable of more than this. We know this because he's shown as much.

This has been his reputation for the past whatever amount of years, so why expect things to be different or improve when he's older, less athletic and has less traction on his tires?

And, again, VanVleet needs to step up and be a viable option so that he can soak up Lowry's minutes and give Nurse a different option (maybe go to Lin)

I've seen Pop straight drop a guy out of the rotation for piss poor play in the playoffs. The coach can't be afraid to coach (and we know Nurse is over his head)......

Exactly what Casey did last season with DeRozan (which he was killed for in the media) is what needs to happen now. Point blank....

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[YuNgWuN]

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I was laughing because Lowry was trending everywhere, and it wasn't good, and it wasn't "that's just Dre"

I wasnt going to say anything because pretty much everybody is roasting him now.

It's not even about being right. This franchise is in a crucial State right now and they didn't have the foresight to trade this dude for a bag of Cheetos with all of the party evidence is wild.




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I honestly couldn't agree more.

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Van Vleet isn't any good either which I also pointed out.

Look at his numbers and they're worse...and Nick Nurse keeps playing them together, which I'm not sure why.

Lowry is supposed to be an all star and he's making 33 million... Thats RWB money.

He's going to hear from people when he shrinks like a pea when it matters, especially when it's every single year.

Being 30 has nothing to do with it. Mentally hes one of those dudes who get tight when pressure is on.

That's why nobody cares about this team during the regular season.

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