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  • JazzMan
    SOLDIER, First Class...
    • Feb 2012
    • 13547

    #3211
    Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by ojandpizza
    This is the year Big Dick Mitch needs to really make that leap to “star” level, and be more that just a mildly efficient B-level scorer. Hopefully he can do that next to Conley, I’ve got confidence in him


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    I see a lot of people saying Mitchell needs to step up. Thing is, IMO, he already has:

    During the playoffs his rookie season, he suffered a hamstring injury and wasn't able to work on his game the entire summer. Literally got cleared right as the preseason started up. Typically, hamstring injuries take a good 2 or 3 months to get back in the flow of things after you get back to 100%. Mitchell got hounded for his poor start because he was mediocre (on his level) for the first 2 or 3 months of the season (the Jazz's brutal November/December schedule did not help matters at all, but what can you do?).

    Once January hit, Mitchell turned a corner. In January he averaged 27.7 PPG, 5.1 APG, and 4.4 RPG off 45/41/80 shooting splits. The Jazz went 11-4 in those games.

    February he averaged 25.4, 4.8, and 5.3 off 40/32/83. Jazz went 7-2, including a double OT loss in OKC.

    March he put up 25.3, 4.1, and 4.2 off 46/44/80. Jazz went 11-4.

    In April he put up 28.4, 5.8, and 4.4 off 46/50/88. Jazz went 4-1.

    -------------------

    So, point being, I believe Mitchell has already turned the corner and is heading toward stardom. His playoffs left a little to be desired, but with the additions of Conley and Bogdanovic, as well as other guys who are better fits around him, I think he should take a huge step forward this year.
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    • 23
      yellow
      • Sep 2002
      • 66469

      #3212
      Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

      Rodney McGruder agrees to 3-year, $15M deal with Clippers

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      • ojandpizza
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2011
        • 29807

        #3213
        Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

        Originally posted by 23
        Rodney McGruder agrees to 3-year, $15M deal with Clippers
        For a second I thought this blew their shot at Kawhi lol.. But assuming they get Kawhi this signing will be used by bird rights I guess.

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        • ojandpizza
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 29807

          #3214
          Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by JazzMan
          I see a lot of people saying Mitchell needs to step up. Thing is, IMO, he already has:

          During the playoffs his rookie season, he suffered a hamstring injury and wasn't able to work on his game the entire summer. Literally got cleared right as the preseason started up. Typically, hamstring injuries take a good 2 or 3 months to get back in the flow of things after you get back to 100%. Mitchell got hounded for his poor start because he was mediocre (on his level) for the first 2 or 3 months of the season (the Jazz's brutal November/December schedule did not help matters at all, but what can you do?).

          Once January hit, Mitchell turned a corner. In January he averaged 27.7 PPG, 5.1 APG, and 4.4 RPG off 45/41/80 shooting splits. The Jazz went 11-4 in those games.

          February he averaged 25.4, 4.8, and 5.3 off 40/32/83. Jazz went 7-2, including a double OT loss in OKC.

          March he put up 25.3, 4.1, and 4.2 off 46/44/80. Jazz went 11-4.

          In April he put up 28.4, 5.8, and 4.4 off 46/50/88. Jazz went 4-1.

          -------------------

          So, point being, I believe Mitchell has already turned the corner and is heading toward stardom. His playoffs left a little to be desired, but with the additions of Conley and Bogdanovic, as well as other guys who are better fits around him, I think he should take a huge step forward this year.
          The bold was more so my point. He got stronger as the season went on for sure, but dropped pretty badly when the actual season started as well. He can't go from scoring like Brad Beal to scoring like Tim Hardaway Jr if they want to get through the west.. Like I said though, I have confidence in he and Conley growing his game more this year.

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          • illwill10
            Hall Of Fame
            • Mar 2009
            • 19824

            #3215
            Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by ojandpizza
            For a second I thought this blew their shot at Kawhi lol.. But assuming they get Kawhi this signing will be used by bird rights I guess.
            He has a 3 mil cap hold, so I'm assuming they used vet min exception for him. So doesn't effect cap

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            • ojandpizza
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 29807

              #3216
              Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

              Originally posted by illwill10
              He has a 3 mil cap hold, so I'm assuming they used vet min exception for him. So doesn't effect cap
              His cap hold was factored in to the original max space. If Kawhi were to come they would just delay the signing of he/Bev. He's jumping to 5 mil a year with this deal though.

              Also, in related news to the Hornets not trading Kemba.. How are the Wizards jsut letting Jeff Green, Trevor Ariza, etc go instead of moving them at the deadline? Small returns but even 2nd round picks would have given them something.. Washington is a mess

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              • JazzMan
                SOLDIER, First Class...
                • Feb 2012
                • 13547

                #3217
                Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                The bold was more so my point. He got stronger as the season went on for sure, but dropped pretty badly when the actual season started as well. He can't go from scoring like Brad Beal to scoring like Tim Hardaway Jr if they want to get through the west.. Like I said though, I have confidence in he and Conley growing his game more this year.
                Agreed. While not excusing it, I think a big part of his drop in the playoffs was from his supporting cast. Rubio was our best player in the series aside from maybe Gobert. All of our shooters - Mitchell included tbh - simply couldn't make open shots, especially catch and shoot threes. Ingles was a ghost, Korver was broken down, Crowder couldn't hit anything, Rubio was Rubio outside of 18 feet, etc. The Rockets defense keyed in on Mitchell and literally left all of these guys wide open on the three point line and they couldn't deliver when Mitchell made plays for them. He can't do it alone offensively (though O'Neale and Favors were both excellent all series).

                Now that the Jazz have brought in not just shooters, but other scorers as well in Bojan and Conley, I think Mitchell's efficiency is going to improve next year. That paint is going to be wide open for him and Gobert when the Jazz have Conley, Ingles, and Bojan on the perimeter. I think he could be the #1 option on a Top 5 offense is all I'm saying lol

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                • ojandpizza
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 29807

                  #3218
                  Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by JazzMan
                  Agreed. While not excusing it, I think a big part of his drop in the playoffs was from his supporting cast. Rubio was our best player in the series aside from maybe Gobert. All of our shooters - Mitchell included tbh - simply couldn't make open shots, especially catch and shoot threes. Ingles was a ghost, Korver was broken down, Crowder couldn't hit anything, Rubio was Rubio outside of 18 feet, etc. The Rockets defense keyed in on Mitchell and literally left all of these guys wide open on the three point line and they couldn't deliver when Mitchell made plays for them. He can't do it alone offensively (though O'Neale and Favors were both excellent all series).

                  Now that the Jazz have brought in not just shooters, but other scorers as well in Bojan and Conley, I think Mitchell's efficiency is going to improve next year. That paint is going to be wide open for him and Gobert when the Jazz have Conley, Ingles, and Bojan on the perimeter. I think he could be the #1 option on a Top 5 offense is all I'm saying lol

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                  I agree, Larry Joe Bird Ingles was absolutely awful in that series. And Houston's style really limited the impact Gobert had too. Off the top of my head O'Neale was the only player I can remember really stepping his game up, everyone else seemed a step worse than you would have expected.. Aside from maybe Rubio, but you can't count on him to be one of your offensive focal points.

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                  • 23
                    yellow
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 66469

                    #3219
                    Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

                    The Clippers are smarter now that Glenn Rivers is not the GM

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                    • BleacherBum2310
                      All Star
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 7107

                      #3220
                      Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

                      Originally posted by JazzMan
                      I see a lot of people saying Mitchell needs to step up. Thing is, IMO, he already has:

                      During the playoffs his rookie season, he suffered a hamstring injury and wasn't able to work on his game the entire summer. Literally got cleared right as the preseason started up. Typically, hamstring injuries take a good 2 or 3 months to get back in the flow of things after you get back to 100%. Mitchell got hounded for his poor start because he was mediocre (on his level) for the first 2 or 3 months of the season (the Jazz's brutal November/December schedule did not help matters at all, but what can you do?).

                      Once January hit, Mitchell turned a corner. In January he averaged 27.7 PPG, 5.1 APG, and 4.4 RPG off 45/41/80 shooting splits. The Jazz went 11-4 in those games.

                      February he averaged 25.4, 4.8, and 5.3 off 40/32/83. Jazz went 7-2, including a double OT loss in OKC.

                      March he put up 25.3, 4.1, and 4.2 off 46/44/80. Jazz went 11-4.

                      In April he put up 28.4, 5.8, and 4.4 off 46/50/88. Jazz went 4-1.

                      -------------------

                      So, point being, I believe Mitchell has already turned the corner and is heading toward stardom. His playoffs left a little to be desired, but with the additions of Conley and Bogdanovic, as well as other guys who are better fits around him, I think he should take a huge step forward this year.
                      Agreed /Whispers Gobert is the one that needs to step up.
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                      • bigeastbumrush
                        My Momma's Son
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 19245

                        #3221
                        Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by ojandpizza
                        This is the year Big Dick Mitch needs to really make that leap to “star” level, and be more that just a mildly efficient B-level scorer. Hopefully he can do that next to Conley, I’ve got confidence in him


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                        Dude....where in the hell did you find that nickname?

                        You know what..nevermind!

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                        • illwill10
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 19824

                          #3222
                          Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

                          I like what the Sixers have done so far. They have a chance to be a elite defensive team. Only liability with starters is Harris. But outside of Richardson, the starting lineup is 6'9+. Resigning Ennis really helps. If Thybulle and Smith can show that defensive potential, they have 3 solid wing defenders off the bench as well. Horford should help out Embiid. Embiid shouldn't have to play heavy minutes with him there and signing O'Quinn helps. They have a legit 2 year window with the starters all signed through at least following season(3 years if Richardson picks up player option).

                          But that doesn't make them a lock to come out East. While I feel their bench is better than last year, they still don't have a bench scorer and currently still don't have a backup PG(not that many options left). So the starters will have to play heavier minutes with bench. Ben Simmons could be the make or break player. They need him to more aggressive. He showed no confidence in jumper and knew he was a liability on the FT line. He has to start with just taking shots. He has to do what Giannis did. If they started giving him open looks, he has to start taking them and even if he is missing FTs, he can still get other team in foul trouble. They don't have that closer. They will need Harris to be that guy. They need Embiid to continue to work on his conditioning, even though their frontcourt should be better. I like Richardson's contract and he is a good two way player. But they need him to show that potential he showed in previous Miami seasons and need him to shoot close to 40% from 3. I like what Horford can bring to the table especially that he will play his natural postion. But, they have to figure out how it will all come together especially when playoffs start. Teams usually go small in the playoffs.

                          So I feel Sixers can be a good team this year. But they still have things to work on

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                          • ojandpizza
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 29807

                            #3223
                            Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                            Dude....where in the hell did you find that nickname?

                            You know what..nevermind!


                            That’s what Jazzman has been calling him on here for like 2 years.. I didn’t make that **** up [emoji23]


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                            • ojandpizza
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 29807

                              #3224
                              Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by illwill10
                              I like what the Sixers have done so far. They have a chance to be a elite defensive team. Only liability with starters is Harris. But outside of Richardson, the starting lineup is 6'9+. Resigning Ennis really helps. If Thybulle and Smith can show that defensive potential, they have 3 solid wing defenders off the bench as well. Horford should help out Embiid. Embiid shouldn't have to play heavy minutes with him there and signing O'Quinn helps. They have a legit 2 year window with the starters all signed through at least following season(3 years if Richardson picks up player option).



                              But that doesn't make them a lock to come out East. While I feel their bench is better than last year, they still don't have a bench scorer and currently still don't have a backup PG(not that many options left). So the starters will have to play heavier minutes with bench. Ben Simmons could be the make or break player. They need him to more aggressive. He showed no confidence in jumper and knew he was a liability on the FT line. He has to start with just taking shots. He has to do what Giannis did. If they started giving him open looks, he has to start taking them and even if he is missing FTs, he can still get other team in foul trouble. They don't have that closer. They will need Harris to be that guy. They need Embiid to continue to work on his conditioning, even though their frontcourt should be better. I like Richardson's contract and he is a good two way player. But they need him to show that potential he showed in previous Miami seasons and need him to shoot close to 40% from 3. I like what Horford can bring to the table especially that he will play his natural postion. But, they have to figure out how it will all come together especially when playoffs start. Teams usually go small in the playoffs.



                              So I feel Sixers can be a good team this year. But they still have things to work on


                              Can’t they just bring back McConnell?


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                              • 23
                                yellow
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 66469

                                #3225
                                Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

                                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                                That’s what Jazzman has been calling him on here for like 2 years.. I didn’t make that **** up [emoji23]


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                                Stop encouraging him, oj

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