2019 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

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After re-reading his comments I posted above...he’s not exactly wrong with what he’s saying.

Yeah I don't take issue with anything he said, I just don't think he's worth more than they offered or maybe even what they offered.. Like King said, he better show it this season... I think in most cases players should just wait and see what other teams offer, your current team can always match in this situation.. I just wonder if his matching offer isn't going to wind up being less than what they're trying to sign him for now.

[cima]

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I agree with Buddy for taking that stance. He's right, Sacramento never signs anyone so he's gotta at least try to use that fact as leverage. Solid negotiation tactic


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[King_B_Mack]

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The problem with that is that Sacramento has to know he’s the guy before they throw that money at him because they have decisions to make that throwing 100+ million at Buddy Freakin Hield complicates. They paid Barnes. What do they do with Bogdanovic? Fox is going to have to get paid. Bagley is going to have to get paid. 90 million to a guy to shoot threes in a league that’s become all three point shooters is not a bad offer at all since you could literally pluck a shooter from a tree in this league. The Bulls offering Jimmy Butler 4 for 40 when he was looking for 45-50 but was really worth 95 million is an insult and slap in the face. This is not. Especially if it’s just their first offer.


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After re-reading his comments I posted above...he’s not exactly wrong with what he’s saying.

Dame Lillard said he hopes he gets what he wants but he should tread lightly with his comments about the city and the way he's going about this.

My man Jamal Murray got paid but he wasn't out there demanding anything and that's the difference.




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[ojandpizza]

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Jamal also started for what was one of the best teams in the league last year, and had some games that if he hadn’t had they would have lost in the playoffs. That’s a little different than just getting numbers on a team that can’t make the playoffs..

Sacramento also messed up with the Barnes contract.. offering Buddy more might have been a more realistic option without that deal sitting there.. all these good young players and keeping him for that price made little to no sense considering all these other guys will need to be signed.





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Jamal also started for what was one of the best teams in the league last year, and had some games that if he hadn’t had they would have lost in the playoffs. That’s a little different than just getting numbers on a team that can’t make the playoffs..

Sacramento also messed up with the Barnes contract.. offering Buddy more might have been a more realistic option without that deal sitting there.. all these good young players and keeping him for that price made little to no sense considering all these other guys will need to be signed.





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Welp, he had more of a reason, and I'd understand.

Just claiming nobody will sign there as if Buddy Heild is single handedly holding them afloat is a joke.





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[l3ulvl]

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The weird thing to me is Buddy is sorta like Dak Prescott at this point, nobody is really gonna enter a bidding war for either, but they're both going all in anyway

Good luck, I don't root for either franchise so I hope they both get massive contracts

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Jamal also started for what was one of the best teams in the league last year, and had some games that if he hadn’t had they would have lost in the playoffs. That’s a little different than just getting numbers on a team that can’t make the playoffs..

Sacramento also messed up with the Barnes contract.. offering Buddy more might have been a more realistic option without that deal sitting there.. all these good young players and keeping him for that price made little to no sense considering all these other guys will need to be signed.





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And supposedly, they’re already have doubts about giving Barnes that contract before he’s even played a game for them.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2019 Offseason Thread

Spicy P gets paid:

[dubcity]

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[King_B_Mack]

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And supposedly, they’re already have doubts about giving Barnes that contract before he’s even played a game for them.

I know you don’t watch Kings basketball (who really does honestly), but damn Pack lol. Barnes was a mid season trade to Sacto and played 28 games for the Kings last year.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I know you don’t watch Kings basketball (who really does honestly), but damn Pack lol. Barnes was a mid season trade to Sacto and played 28 games for the Kings last year.


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Meant to add before he’s played a game for them on that contract.

The Kings are locked into a turbulent contract-extension negotiation with Buddy Hield.

They reportedly offered $90 million over four years ($22.5 million annually). He reportedly wanted $110 million over four years ($27.5 million annually).

Looming over all this: Sacramento just re-signed Harrison Barnes for $85 million over five years ($17 million annually).

Shams Charania of The Athletic:

The Kings also have set a precedent in talks with Hield based on the four-year, $85 million deal given to Harrison Barnes in the offseason, a deal league sources say the franchise has already expressed some remorse over due to its impact on contracts to come. A source close to the Kings denied that the team has had any remorse over the deal.

It was bad enough when Rockets owner Tilman Ferttita openly griped about Chris Paul‘s contract. Ferttita hadn’t yet bought the team when Houston traded for Paul and maybe made agreed to future compensation. The Rockets fell short with Paul and were headed toward the downside of his deal – paying increasingly high salaries as he aged.

But Sacramento signed Barnes this summer! He hasn’t even yet played a game on this contract!

This getting out reflects poorly on the Kings. Maybe this is untrue, and they can deny it, though there’s a perception battle to show they’re finally run competently. I also wouldn’t be surprised if someone from Sacramento management said this when Hield’s side kept bringing up Barnes as precedent.

Hield is much better than Barnes. But production isn’t the sole determinant of salary. Their situations are quite different.

Barnes entered last offseason with a $25,102,512 player option. He could’ve exercised that and stuck on Sacramento’s books for a higher salary. He could’ve declined it and left as an unrestricted free agent.

Hield is under contract for next season. If he doesn’t sign an extension by Monday’s deadline, he’ll be an restricted free agent next summer. He can’t unilaterally leave until 2021 at the earliest, and that would require him taking a $6,484,851 qualifying offer – an extremely risky maneuver.

The Kings had a better sense of their spending power when re-signing Barnes. They gave him a frontloaded contract, because they knew they had little use for all their cap space last summer. Barnes’ declining salary opens more options later.

Sacramento can’t yet know how it’ll use its cap space next summer. There’s upside in not extending Hield, counting him at his low cap hold ($14,583,623), using other cap space then exceeding the cap to re-sign him. That route closes with an extension, which would mean his actual first-year salary in the extension would be his cap number as soon as the offseason begins.

If Hield plays well and signs an offer sheet elsewhere, the Kings could always match it. They didn’t have that leverage over Barnes.

The best argument for paying Barnes so much was that he’s a solid player and Sacramento struggles to attract top talent. It might have been worth overpaying him just to have him.

This is the downside, though. Now, other players want outsized deals from the Kings, too.

[King_B_Mack]

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See here's the problem with popping off in the media the way Buddy was because this news today makes him look silly.

Adrian Wojnarowski
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Sacramento Kings guard Buddy Hield has agreed to a four-year, $94M contract extension with bonuses that could reach $106M, league sources tell ESPN.

Adrian Wojnarowski
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Deal includes exceedingly reachable bonuses (Top 10 three-point shooting, etc.) that get $86M base guarantee to $94M. Tougher climb to $106M.

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That's all he had to do was ask for incentives and prove he's worth it.

Now he has to perform it instead of flapping his gums.

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[ehh]

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The Knicks picked up the rookie options for Frank Ntilikina, Dennis Smith Jr, and Kevin Knox.

Am I losing my mind on Knox? When did the NBA start having 3rd-year rookie options?