2019 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

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Wonder how well this translates to games..


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[Vni]

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I'am not buying theses off season reports about players becoming next level at anything. We'll have to see but KCP's been really average for a while now.

[ojandpizza]

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I'am not buying theses off season reports about players becoming next level at anything. We'll have to see but KCP's been really average for a while now.

True, but this type of repetition is what improves young players. He's still a 26 year old kid, who's game should still be developing. I think his biggest issue was never that he's been "average" but more so he's been wildly inconsistent. I don't think this is so much about him becoming next level, but hopefully just more reliable to be a less streaky option.

Example being he had games last year shooting 6/10, 8/14, 6/12, 5/10, 5/11, 4/8.. But also had games where he was 2/8, 2/7, 1/8, 1/9, 0/7.. and then a big chunk of games closer to his average 5/13, 5/14, 5/15, 4/12, etc...

Confidence in his shot, or confidence in his teammates getting him those shots hasn't been an issue. Getting himself open and taking quality shots hasn't been an issue. It's all been inconsistency, which I think is fair for him being young still. Dialing in those areas and turning those 1/9 games into even 3/9 games would basically propel him to a 40% outside shooter who looks like a much more consistent player than the guy from this past season.

The key is he's working on the right things. Playing off LeBron and AD, and maybe even Kuzma to an extent, the best thing he could do for himself and the team is improve his shooting consistency. I guess we'll see if there is any growth.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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At this point and based on how his career has gone so far, that’s probably who he is going forward.

[Master Live 013]

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Anything on Ben Simmons shooting from outside the paint?

[ojandpizza]

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At this point and based on how his career has gone so far, that’s probably who he is going forward.

True, but it's not at all unheard for players to get more consistent. Guys like TJ Warren, Joe Harris, Buddy Hield, Sabonis, Forbes, Portis, Dedmon, lot's of guys have been able to improve upon heir ability to consistently knock down open shots over the past couple of seasons. KCP will never be some super dynamic scoring threat, but creating better shooting habits is a realistic goal and fairly common across the league whether it's 3 point shooting, free throw shooting, or mid-range pull-ups.

Now maybe he shows no improvement at all, I wouldn't be surprised much like you. But for him I think it makes a big difference in how valuable he could be for them next season and how much money somebody will throw at him to pry him away after this season as well.

[ojandpizza]

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Anything on Ben Simmons shooting from outside the paint?

He was in a video I watched the other day.. He actually looked insanely good, obviously you only get to see the "highlights" but he looked amazing. I'll try to find a video.

Edit: This is not the same video I watched, but this one is mostly jumpers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZKor0eb2Oc

[ProfessaPackMan]

2019 Offseason Thread

True, but it's not at all unheard for players to get more consistent. Guys like TJ Warren, Joe Harris, Buddy Hield, Sabonis, Forbes, Portis, Dedmon, lot's of guys have been able to improve upon heir ability to consistently knock down open shots over the past couple of seasons. KCP will never be some super dynamic scoring threat, but creating better shooting habits is a realistic goal and fairly common across the league whether it's 3 point shooting, free throw shooting, or mid-range pull-ups.



Now maybe he shows no improvement at all, I wouldn't be surprised much like you. But for him I think it makes a big difference in how valuable he could be for them next season and how much money somebody will throw at him to pry him away after this season as well.

He’s 7 years into his career and is still looks no different than his first 2-3 years, eye test and numbers wise. Wildly inconsistent.

Talking about his overall game, not just his shot. If he was coming into his 3rd or 4th year, then I would give him the benefit of the doubt because that’s usually when guys start to begin their upward trajectory. But 7 years in? Nah.

Sidebar: I’m feeling real optimistic about getting a KD sighting this coming season.

[The 24th Letter]

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If KCP can become a spot up, knockdown shooter, even if that's the only part of his game that really elevates, he'll greatly increase his value on the court....we've seen many example's of players who have taken that role throughout the year's...

Sidenote- Shout out to Lethal Shooter...he's a really good guy and and it's cool to see him blow up around NBA circles. Never seen a guy who can shoot like him. My brother was doing the the camera work for one of his earlier videos and dude was just like "Let me hit 15 straight all net so we can cover all the angles" and proceeds to do it without and issue, lol

[l3ulvl]

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True, but this type of repetition is what improves young players. He's still a 26 year old kid, who's game should still be developing. I think his biggest issue was never that he's been "average" but more so he's been wildly inconsistent. I don't think this is so much about him becoming next level, but hopefully just more reliable to be a less streaky option.

Example being he had games last year shooting 6/10, 8/14, 6/12, 5/10, 5/11, 4/8.. But also had games where he was 2/8, 2/7, 1/8, 1/9, 0/7.. and then a big chunk of games closer to his average 5/13, 5/14, 5/15, 4/12, etc...

Confidence in his shot, or confidence in his teammates getting him those shots hasn't been an issue. Getting himself open and taking quality shots hasn't been an issue. It's all been inconsistency, which I think is fair for him being young still. Dialing in those areas and turning those 1/9 games into even 3/9 games would basically propel him to a 40% outside shooter who looks like a much more consistent player than the guy from this past season.

The key is he's working on the right things. Playing off LeBron and AD, and maybe even Kuzma to an extent, the best thing he could do for himself and the team is improve his shooting consistency. I guess we'll see if there is any growth.

"26 year old" and "kid" are incongruent

not paying him was one of the rare moves the Pistons got right, greg monroe being another

[pietasterp]

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"26 year old" and "kid" are incongruent

not paying him was one of the rare moves the Pistons got right, greg monroe being another

Everything Lakers fans are saying about KCP right now are things that Pistons fans were saying since the day we drafted him. Maybe it will work out, maybe his role being a bit different in LA will help his game...I mean, it's always hard to say how much was the player vs the environment, and l3ulvl and I will be among the first to admit anyone playing in Detroit isn't in a particularly great situation, but I feel like KCP was asked to be a jump-shooter and basically 3-and-D guy in Detroit for years, and never really was able to do it consistently. It's hard to see him developing consistency in that regard 7 years into his NBA career, but I suppose we're going to find out.

[ojandpizza]

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I guess my point was more that situationally it's going to be more of a necessity for him this season. They brought in Danny Green and Avery Bradley, both 3 and D shooting guards, they brought in Troy Daniels an elite outside shooter.. They have guys to fill the holes of what they want him to be if he can't produce. But if he does improve he can find himself being the best fit out of them all, because if any of the throwing LeBron at PG rumors are true and they plan on having Kuzma, AD, and a center on the floor to justify him running the 1, the only SG of that group quick and long enough to defend opposing point guards would be KCP.

The only way for him to guarantee bigger minutes this year and possibly a decent contract for himself is to shoot more consistently this season. Like others have said maybe that doesn't happen 6 years into his career, but he's just turned 26 and could be 4-5 years away from his "prime", plenty of other 25 year olds have made those jumps, but most spent more time in college so they aren't 6 years in.. So I think maybe the age is a better determining factor than number of years pro. But for the reasons mentioned above I could definitely see why this off-season those improvements in his shooting would be a much larger priority for him than in any year past.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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If he’s “4-5 years away from his prime” then I’d wager a lot of money that won’t be any different than what we’re seeing now.

That goes any 26-27 y/o in the league who fits that description as well.

[ojandpizza]

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Should have worded prime as peak maybe.. Just meant that most NBA players typically play their best basketball around 30ish.

[jeebs9]

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I'm the only person. Who wake up to watch fiba lol

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