Points Created Leaders So Far...

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

I remember you explained the formula once, but can you explain it again?

Well, what this means is... there are guys like Ben Wallace who can't score as well as the Allen Iverson's of the league... but why does his team win... his defense, itself, creates points for his team, whether it lead to more rebounds, meaning more possessions, or it could be taking away potential points when opposing players get swatted ... etc...

It factors in scoring, assisting, rebounding, shots missed, fouls, turnovers, steals, blocks, 3's... It would take forever to list how each one effects the stats, but taking a look at the players on this list... I would have to say they are pretty legit!

Big Ticket is right where he should be. I thought Stoudemire would have been up there too... but I guess I was wrong...


If you want to know of any players not on the list... Just request... I'll be happy to list them!

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

I remember you explained the formula once, but can you explain it again?

Well, what this means is... there are guys like Ben Wallace who can't score as well as the Allen Iverson's of the league... but why does his team win... his defense, itself, creates points for his team, whether it lead to more rebounds, meaning more possessions, or it could be taking away potential points when opposing players get swatted ... etc...

It factors in scoring, assisting, rebounding, shots missed, fouls, turnovers, steals, blocks, 3's... It would take forever to list how each one effects the stats, but taking a look at the players on this list... I would have to say they are pretty legit!

Big Ticket is right where he should be. I thought Stoudemire would have been up there too... but I guess I was wrong...


If you want to know of any players not on the list... Just request... I'll be happy to list them!

[SonicMage]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Well, its not a perfect statistic.

Unfortunately, current official NBA box score statistics (of which this statistic is based) underrate defense. Shots altered, charges taken, things like that are not accounted for.

Take it for what its worth, thats why this statistic is also called the "Approximate Value".

[SonicMage]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Well, its not a perfect statistic.

Unfortunately, current official NBA box score statistics (of which this statistic is based) underrate defense. Shots altered, charges taken, things like that are not accounted for.

Take it for what its worth, thats why this statistic is also called the "Approximate Value".

[23]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Well, what this means is... there are guys like Ben Wallace who can't score as well as the Allen Iverson's of the league... but why does his team win... his defense, itself, creates points for his team, whether it lead to more rebounds, meaning more possessions, or it could be taking away potential points when opposing players get swatted ... etc...

It factors in scoring, assisting, rebounding, shots missed, fouls, turnovers, steals, blocks, 3's... It would take forever to list how each one effects the stats, but taking a look at the players on this list... I would have to say they are pretty legit!

Big Ticket is right where he should be. I thought Stoudemire would have been up there too... but I guess I was wrong...


If you want to know of any players not on the list... Just request... I'll be happy to list them!

In other words its player efficiency for the team

[23]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Well, what this means is... there are guys like Ben Wallace who can't score as well as the Allen Iverson's of the league... but why does his team win... his defense, itself, creates points for his team, whether it lead to more rebounds, meaning more possessions, or it could be taking away potential points when opposing players get swatted ... etc...

It factors in scoring, assisting, rebounding, shots missed, fouls, turnovers, steals, blocks, 3's... It would take forever to list how each one effects the stats, but taking a look at the players on this list... I would have to say they are pretty legit!

Big Ticket is right where he should be. I thought Stoudemire would have been up there too... but I guess I was wrong...


If you want to know of any players not on the list... Just request... I'll be happy to list them!

In other words its player efficiency for the team

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Well, its not a perfect statistic.

Unfortunately, current official NBA box score statistics (of which this statistic is based) underrate defense. Shots altered, charges taken, things like that are not accounted for.

Take it for what its worth, thats why this statistic is also called the "Approximate Value".

Funny that you would mention what is not accounted for... I created my own stats and kept track of them in two different games... I'll post that in a second... but ... I will first list what the Stats are: (Unfortunately, the league doesn't keep track, so I can't include it in Points Created!)


FORCED MISS ...

If you are guarding a player within a radius that is closer than any other player and you are facing the shooter, and the shooter misses the shot, its a forced miss. If you are within the radius, but you are not facing the shooter, its not a forced miss. If you are further than being able to jump and make a legit hand in the face attempt at the shooter, than you do not get the forced miss. Blocked shots are not forced misses.

DRAWN CHARGE ...

If you are on defense and you collect a charge, you pick up this stat.


From the Nets (69) @ Rockets (80) Game ... 11/15/04:

Player Name ... Forced Miss (Drawn Charges)

Nets:
Jefferson ... 3
Plananic ... 2
Best ... 0
Buford ... 0
Collins ... 10 (2)
Williams ... 0 (1)
Mourning ... 4
Williams ... 3
Scalabrine ... 3
Vaughn ... 1
Storey ... 0
Krstic ... 0

TOTAL ... 26 (3)

Rockets:
Ming ... 7 (1)
McGrady ... 2
Ward ... 5 (1)
Jackson ... 3
Taylor ... 4
Mutumbo ... 5
Lue ... 3 (1)
Bowen ... 1
Howard ... 1

TOTAL ... 31 (3)


Also... The Nets shot 23-75 and the Rockets shot 32-73 ... this means the Nets missed 52 shots, and the Rockets missed 41. If The Rockets forced 31 out of 52 misses, then the Nets missed 21 Open shots... and vice-versa, the Rockets missed 15 open shots.

I will post the Knicks @ Spurs game later... once you soak this in!

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Well, its not a perfect statistic.

Unfortunately, current official NBA box score statistics (of which this statistic is based) underrate defense. Shots altered, charges taken, things like that are not accounted for.

Take it for what its worth, thats why this statistic is also called the "Approximate Value".

Funny that you would mention what is not accounted for... I created my own stats and kept track of them in two different games... I'll post that in a second... but ... I will first list what the Stats are: (Unfortunately, the league doesn't keep track, so I can't include it in Points Created!)


FORCED MISS ...

If you are guarding a player within a radius that is closer than any other player and you are facing the shooter, and the shooter misses the shot, its a forced miss. If you are within the radius, but you are not facing the shooter, its not a forced miss. If you are further than being able to jump and make a legit hand in the face attempt at the shooter, than you do not get the forced miss. Blocked shots are not forced misses.

DRAWN CHARGE ...

If you are on defense and you collect a charge, you pick up this stat.


From the Nets (69) @ Rockets (80) Game ... 11/15/04:

Player Name ... Forced Miss (Drawn Charges)

Nets:
Jefferson ... 3
Plananic ... 2
Best ... 0
Buford ... 0
Collins ... 10 (2)
Williams ... 0 (1)
Mourning ... 4
Williams ... 3
Scalabrine ... 3
Vaughn ... 1
Storey ... 0
Krstic ... 0

TOTAL ... 26 (3)

Rockets:
Ming ... 7 (1)
McGrady ... 2
Ward ... 5 (1)
Jackson ... 3
Taylor ... 4
Mutumbo ... 5
Lue ... 3 (1)
Bowen ... 1
Howard ... 1

TOTAL ... 31 (3)


Also... The Nets shot 23-75 and the Rockets shot 32-73 ... this means the Nets missed 52 shots, and the Rockets missed 41. If The Rockets forced 31 out of 52 misses, then the Nets missed 21 Open shots... and vice-versa, the Rockets missed 15 open shots.

I will post the Knicks @ Spurs game later... once you soak this in!

[SonicMage]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Why doesnt a blocked shot count as a forced miss? Seems to me that the forced miss statistic is inaccurate without it.

Its not like you cant just subtract blocked shots from that to get your numbers.

[SonicMage]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Why doesnt a blocked shot count as a forced miss? Seems to me that the forced miss statistic is inaccurate without it.

Its not like you cant just subtract blocked shots from that to get your numbers.

[SonicMage]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

In other words its player efficiency for the team

No, actually thats different. Thats called PER. Both statistics were created by different groups of people.

[SonicMage]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

In other words its player efficiency for the team

No, actually thats different. Thats called PER. Both statistics were created by different groups of people.

[Tmacattack]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

im more of a fan of the efficiancy rankings, but it would prolly be betta if they added the drawn charges and forced shots

[Tmacattack]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

im more of a fan of the efficiancy rankings, but it would prolly be betta if they added the drawn charges and forced shots

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

I guess like FG Made to Attepted, it could be Blk Shots to Forced Misses, without listing the undeflected forced misses... people will just use their subtraction skills to figure it out. The only problem is, is that a Blk shot is much better than just a forced miss because a block shot keeps the shot clock running, and most of the time, offensive rebounds don't result from them. But Total Stats should be added... Total Forced Misses (Blocks + Forced Miss) and Total Forced TO (Steals + Drawn Charges) ... these should be put into box scores.

So When I list these, I won't keep it seperate... if you don't think I should separate it... Post it... and still Post if you do think i should separate it!


November 16, 2004
Spurs (99) vs. Knicks (81)

Player Name ... Total Forced Misses ... Total Forced Turnovers

* Total Forced Misses = Blocks + Forced Miss ... * Total Forced TO = Steals + Drawn Charges ....................... These would probably be the best TOTAL Stats ... but still listing each of the individual!!!

Spurs:
Duncan ... 8 ... 1
Nesterovic ... 7 ... 0
Bowen ... 2 ... 0
Ginobili ... 2 ... 3
Parker ... 5 ... 1
Barry ... 1 ... 1
Udrih ... 3 ... 2
Brown ... 0 ... 0
Rose ... 5 ... 2
Horry ... 1 ... 3
Wilks ... 0 ... 0

TOTAL: ... 34 ... 13

Knicks:
Crawford ... 3 ... 1
Hardaway ... 2 ... 1
Mohammed ... 5 ... 2
K. Thomas ... 3 ... 1
T. Thomas ... 2 ... 0
Norris ... 0 ... 1
Sweetney ... 1 ... 1
Ariza ... 0 ... 0
Marbury ... 2 ... 0
Williams ... 1 ... 0

TOTAL: ... 19 ... 7

DEFENSIVE PLAYER of the GAME: Tim Duncan (8 TFM and 1 TFT)


Spurs Missed 37 Shots... meaning they missed 18 open shots! ... They committed 15 TO's ... meaning they made 8 of them really carelessly.

Knicks Missed 46 Shots ... meaning they missed 12 open shots! ... They committed 16 TO's ... meaning they made 3 of them really carelessly.


Spurs definetely won the Defensive matchup by a total of (47 to 26) ... which is why the Spurs defeated the Knicks with ease!