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  • X*Cell
    Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
    • Sep 2002
    • 8107

    #46
    Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

    I might do the Rockets @ Mavericks game tonight... full stats of Defense... if you want to try... go ahead!

    Just to let you guys know!
    SAN ANTONIO SPURS

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    • X*Cell
      Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
      • Sep 2002
      • 8107

      #47
      Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

      I might do the Rockets @ Mavericks game tonight... full stats of Defense... if you want to try... go ahead!

      Just to let you guys know!
      SAN ANTONIO SPURS

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      • SonicMage
        NBA Ratings Wizard
        • Oct 2002
        • 3544

        #48
        Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

        I'm just curious how youre generating the Points Created stats, xcell. I dont mean the formula, I know the formula, I mean what tools are you using to create the numbers because I know in order to create a Points Created statistic for one guy, you need to have all stats for every player in the entire league.

        And speaking of that, are these league Points Created or team Points Created?
        NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

        Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
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        Link to Ratings 1973-1996
        Link to Ratings All-time

        Discussion found here

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        • SonicMage
          NBA Ratings Wizard
          • Oct 2002
          • 3544

          #49
          Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

          I'm just curious how youre generating the Points Created stats, xcell. I dont mean the formula, I know the formula, I mean what tools are you using to create the numbers because I know in order to create a Points Created statistic for one guy, you need to have all stats for every player in the entire league.

          And speaking of that, are these league Points Created or team Points Created?
          NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

          Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
          Link to Ratings 1996-2017
          Link to Ratings 1973-1996
          Link to Ratings All-time

          Discussion found here

          Comment

          • Streets
            Supreme
            • Aug 2004
            • 5787

            #50
            Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

            Originally posted by Sonicmage
            I did an analysis with this a couple years back and found that while McGrady and Kobe had about the same scoring average, McGrady was a lot more consistent with his scoring.
            Interesting. I think that may be because Tmac HAD to be consistent, whereas Kobe could coast for three quarters, then go off refreshed in quarter 4 and beat his tired defender.

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            • Streets
              Supreme
              • Aug 2004
              • 5787

              #51
              Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

              Originally posted by Sonicmage
              I did an analysis with this a couple years back and found that while McGrady and Kobe had about the same scoring average, McGrady was a lot more consistent with his scoring.
              Interesting. I think that may be because Tmac HAD to be consistent, whereas Kobe could coast for three quarters, then go off refreshed in quarter 4 and beat his tired defender.

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              • SonicMage
                NBA Ratings Wizard
                • Oct 2002
                • 3544

                #52
                Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

                Originally posted by Streets Disciple
                Interesting. I think that may be because Tmac HAD to be consistent, whereas Kobe could coast for three quarters, then go off refreshed in quarter 4 and beat his tired defender.
                I'm not sure if you understand what I meant by consistent. I meant consistent in a game-to-game comparison. Kobe would have 40 points one night, then 18 points the next, then 25, he was all over the place. McGrady would have 28 points, then 32, then 30, then 27, it would all stay around the same area.
                NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

                Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
                Link to Ratings 1996-2017
                Link to Ratings 1973-1996
                Link to Ratings All-time

                Discussion found here

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                • SonicMage
                  NBA Ratings Wizard
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 3544

                  #53
                  Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

                  Originally posted by Streets Disciple
                  Interesting. I think that may be because Tmac HAD to be consistent, whereas Kobe could coast for three quarters, then go off refreshed in quarter 4 and beat his tired defender.
                  I'm not sure if you understand what I meant by consistent. I meant consistent in a game-to-game comparison. Kobe would have 40 points one night, then 18 points the next, then 25, he was all over the place. McGrady would have 28 points, then 32, then 30, then 27, it would all stay around the same area.
                  NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

                  Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
                  Link to Ratings 1996-2017
                  Link to Ratings 1973-1996
                  Link to Ratings All-time

                  Discussion found here

                  Comment

                  • X*Cell
                    Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 8107

                    #54
                    Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

                    Originally posted by Sonicmage
                    I'm just curious how youre generating the Points Created stats, xcell. I dont mean the formula, I know the formula, I mean what tools are you using to create the numbers because I know in order to create a Points Created statistic for one guy, you need to have all stats for every player in the entire league.

                    And speaking of that, are these league Points Created or team Points Created?

                    I know exactly what you mean... but that is why i can't claim this stat to be factual, its more on the approximate side.

                    I could make it factual if i could find out that after a certain rebound, a player scored, and after a precise steal, he was able to finish the play with 2 points... I can't say that... that would take a play by play box score for that to be determined...

                    Instead... I use the League Averages! ... Like if you steal a ball... you take away about 0.95 points because thats the average points per possession for every team combined in the league... then i add the probability of scoring on the offensive side of the court after steals... and watching about 20 games and taking the average... it came out to about 1.45 points per possession after steals... therefore a steal gets you 2.4 PC points...

                    The rest is just like that... so it boils down to league averages... if statisticians were willing to put time into using play by play box scores for these stats... that would be awesome! but HARD work!!!
                    SAN ANTONIO SPURS

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                    • X*Cell
                      Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 8107

                      #55
                      Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

                      Originally posted by Sonicmage
                      I'm just curious how youre generating the Points Created stats, xcell. I dont mean the formula, I know the formula, I mean what tools are you using to create the numbers because I know in order to create a Points Created statistic for one guy, you need to have all stats for every player in the entire league.

                      And speaking of that, are these league Points Created or team Points Created?

                      I know exactly what you mean... but that is why i can't claim this stat to be factual, its more on the approximate side.

                      I could make it factual if i could find out that after a certain rebound, a player scored, and after a precise steal, he was able to finish the play with 2 points... I can't say that... that would take a play by play box score for that to be determined...

                      Instead... I use the League Averages! ... Like if you steal a ball... you take away about 0.95 points because thats the average points per possession for every team combined in the league... then i add the probability of scoring on the offensive side of the court after steals... and watching about 20 games and taking the average... it came out to about 1.45 points per possession after steals... therefore a steal gets you 2.4 PC points...

                      The rest is just like that... so it boils down to league averages... if statisticians were willing to put time into using play by play box scores for these stats... that would be awesome! but HARD work!!!
                      SAN ANTONIO SPURS

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                      • SonicMage
                        NBA Ratings Wizard
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 3544

                        #56
                        Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

                        Originally posted by xcelldarim31
                        The rest is just like that... so it boils down to league averages... if statisticians were willing to put time into using play by play box scores for these stats... that would be awesome! but HARD work!!!
                        It wouldn't be that hard. There is a place where you can download all the official box scores for the day and then you can have these stats fed into a database which calculates out the PC for you. It could be all automated.
                        NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

                        Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
                        Link to Ratings 1996-2017
                        Link to Ratings 1973-1996
                        Link to Ratings All-time

                        Discussion found here

                        Comment

                        • SonicMage
                          NBA Ratings Wizard
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 3544

                          #57
                          Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

                          Originally posted by xcelldarim31
                          The rest is just like that... so it boils down to league averages... if statisticians were willing to put time into using play by play box scores for these stats... that would be awesome! but HARD work!!!
                          It wouldn't be that hard. There is a place where you can download all the official box scores for the day and then you can have these stats fed into a database which calculates out the PC for you. It could be all automated.
                          NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

                          Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
                          Link to Ratings 1996-2017
                          Link to Ratings 1973-1996
                          Link to Ratings All-time

                          Discussion found here

                          Comment

                          • X*Cell
                            Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 8107

                            #58
                            Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

                            Originally posted by Sonicmage
                            It wouldn't be that hard. There is a place where you can download all the official box scores for the day and then you can have these stats fed into a database which calculates out the PC for you. It could be all automated.
                            If you could find that for me... that would be great!!!... Even just the automated part would be great!
                            SAN ANTONIO SPURS

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                            • X*Cell
                              Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 8107

                              #59
                              Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

                              Originally posted by Sonicmage
                              It wouldn't be that hard. There is a place where you can download all the official box scores for the day and then you can have these stats fed into a database which calculates out the PC for you. It could be all automated.
                              If you could find that for me... that would be great!!!... Even just the automated part would be great!
                              SAN ANTONIO SPURS

                              Comment

                              • SonicMage
                                NBA Ratings Wizard
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 3544

                                #60
                                Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

                                Originally posted by xcelldarim31
                                If you could find that for me... that would be great!!!... Even just the automated part would be great!
                                Well, its a real project and would require some time and some smart people to set up. Sportsticker is where ESPN and Yahoo get all their stats from (check out their website, I'm sure you'll like it) . I dont know how much their service is, but I'm sure its expensive, considering its a business-level stat collector. Then you would need somebody to create a program with an XML parser that will read in the stats and enter it into a database of some sort. Then you'd need more programs for the database that will generate any statistics you could possibly want, on-the-fly.

                                Personally, I'm not a Web/Database programmer (I do computer graphics) and I dont have that kind of time but it could be done.
                                NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

                                Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
                                Link to Ratings 1996-2017
                                Link to Ratings 1973-1996
                                Link to Ratings All-time

                                Discussion found here

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