Points Created Leaders So Far...

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

I guess like FG Made to Attepted, it could be Blk Shots to Forced Misses, without listing the undeflected forced misses... people will just use their subtraction skills to figure it out. The only problem is, is that a Blk shot is much better than just a forced miss because a block shot keeps the shot clock running, and most of the time, offensive rebounds don't result from them. But Total Stats should be added... Total Forced Misses (Blocks + Forced Miss) and Total Forced TO (Steals + Drawn Charges) ... these should be put into box scores.

So When I list these, I won't keep it seperate... if you don't think I should separate it... Post it... and still Post if you do think i should separate it!


November 16, 2004
Spurs (99) vs. Knicks (81)

Player Name ... Total Forced Misses ... Total Forced Turnovers

* Total Forced Misses = Blocks + Forced Miss ... * Total Forced TO = Steals + Drawn Charges ....................... These would probably be the best TOTAL Stats ... but still listing each of the individual!!!

Spurs:
Duncan ... 8 ... 1
Nesterovic ... 7 ... 0
Bowen ... 2 ... 0
Ginobili ... 2 ... 3
Parker ... 5 ... 1
Barry ... 1 ... 1
Udrih ... 3 ... 2
Brown ... 0 ... 0
Rose ... 5 ... 2
Horry ... 1 ... 3
Wilks ... 0 ... 0

TOTAL: ... 34 ... 13

Knicks:
Crawford ... 3 ... 1
Hardaway ... 2 ... 1
Mohammed ... 5 ... 2
K. Thomas ... 3 ... 1
T. Thomas ... 2 ... 0
Norris ... 0 ... 1
Sweetney ... 1 ... 1
Ariza ... 0 ... 0
Marbury ... 2 ... 0
Williams ... 1 ... 0

TOTAL: ... 19 ... 7

DEFENSIVE PLAYER of the GAME: Tim Duncan (8 TFM and 1 TFT)


Spurs Missed 37 Shots... meaning they missed 18 open shots! ... They committed 15 TO's ... meaning they made 8 of them really carelessly.

Knicks Missed 46 Shots ... meaning they missed 12 open shots! ... They committed 16 TO's ... meaning they made 3 of them really carelessly.


Spurs definetely won the Defensive matchup by a total of (47 to 26) ... which is why the Spurs defeated the Knicks with ease!

[SonicMage]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

I agree with you, xcell. These would definitely be the right stats to add.

Another stat which I always thought should be added is something that I call a "consistency index". It basically uses the standard deviation to tell how consistent a player is at a particular statistic. This would probably only be useful in scoring, however. I believe statisticians call it the standard error, where you multiply the average by the standard deviation to get the number.
I did an analysis with this a couple years back and found that while McGrady and Kobe had about the same scoring average, McGrady was a lot more consistent with his scoring.

[SonicMage]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

I agree with you, xcell. These would definitely be the right stats to add.

Another stat which I always thought should be added is something that I call a "consistency index". It basically uses the standard deviation to tell how consistent a player is at a particular statistic. This would probably only be useful in scoring, however. I believe statisticians call it the standard error, where you multiply the average by the standard deviation to get the number.
I did an analysis with this a couple years back and found that while McGrady and Kobe had about the same scoring average, McGrady was a lot more consistent with his scoring.

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Here is what I came up with for DEFENSE!!! It would be a good thing to figure out Defender of the Year! (*Already used)

*BLK = Block
UFM = Undeflected Forced Miss

FM = Forced Miss (BLK + UFM)


*STL = Steal
DC = Drawn Charge

FTO = Forced Turnover (STL + DC)


TD = Total Defense (FM + FTO) ... This is the stat that could be used to figure out the Defensive Player of the year!


I am going to record it for the Highschool game on TV Tonight... CBA (Albany) vs. Schenectady.

I will post the stuff...

Here is an example:

Player Name ... BLK --- UFM --- (FM) --- STL --- DC --- (FTO) ..... [TD]

Noah Syed ... 3 --- 5 --- (8) --- 0 --- 1 --- (1) ..... [9]

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Here is what I came up with for DEFENSE!!! It would be a good thing to figure out Defender of the Year! (*Already used)

*BLK = Block
UFM = Undeflected Forced Miss

FM = Forced Miss (BLK + UFM)


*STL = Steal
DC = Drawn Charge

FTO = Forced Turnover (STL + DC)


TD = Total Defense (FM + FTO) ... This is the stat that could be used to figure out the Defensive Player of the year!


I am going to record it for the Highschool game on TV Tonight... CBA (Albany) vs. Schenectady.

I will post the stuff...

Here is an example:

Player Name ... BLK --- UFM --- (FM) --- STL --- DC --- (FTO) ..... [TD]

Noah Syed ... 3 --- 5 --- (8) --- 0 --- 1 --- (1) ..... [9]

[SonicMage]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Here is what I came up with for DEFENSE!!! It would be a good thing to figure out Defender of the Year! (*Already used)

*BLK = Block
UFM = Undeflected Forced Miss

FM = Forced Miss (BLK + UFM)


*STL = Steal
DC = Drawn Charge

FTO = Forced Turnover (STL + DC)


TD = Total Defense (FM + FTO) ... This is the stat that could be used to figure out the Defensive Player of the year!


I am going to record it for the Highschool game on TV Tonight... CBA (Albany) vs. Schenectady.

I will post the stuff...

Here is an example:

Player Name ... BLK --- UFM --- (FM) --- STL --- DC --- (FTO) ..... [TD]

Noah Syed ... 3 --- 5 --- (8) --- 0 --- 1 --- (1) ..... [9]

Won't work for determining DPOY. And Ill tell you why.

The problem is that blocks + altered shots total is going to be much higher than steals + charges drawn. Since big men are the ones who predominantly get the altered shots and blocks, this statistic will highly favor them. The Artest's and Bowen's of the league will never be in contention against Ben Wallace's or Shaq's.

The other factor that is missing in all of this is fouls. Just last week, I came up with a formula of how to determine the "defensive awareness" rating for NBA Live 2005, just based off stats. At first, I just added steals and blocks together (and weighted them, too, because steals and blocks are never the same averages). This didnt tell the whole story though, upon looking at the results. It wasnt until I subtracted the number of (defensive) fouls that players committed that really told who was better defensively. Ben Wallace stood out amongst the crowd.

There are issues with using stats to determine player awards in general. They just dont quite tell the whole story....yet.

[SonicMage]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Here is what I came up with for DEFENSE!!! It would be a good thing to figure out Defender of the Year! (*Already used)

*BLK = Block
UFM = Undeflected Forced Miss

FM = Forced Miss (BLK + UFM)


*STL = Steal
DC = Drawn Charge

FTO = Forced Turnover (STL + DC)


TD = Total Defense (FM + FTO) ... This is the stat that could be used to figure out the Defensive Player of the year!


I am going to record it for the Highschool game on TV Tonight... CBA (Albany) vs. Schenectady.

I will post the stuff...

Here is an example:

Player Name ... BLK --- UFM --- (FM) --- STL --- DC --- (FTO) ..... [TD]

Noah Syed ... 3 --- 5 --- (8) --- 0 --- 1 --- (1) ..... [9]

Won't work for determining DPOY. And Ill tell you why.

The problem is that blocks + altered shots total is going to be much higher than steals + charges drawn. Since big men are the ones who predominantly get the altered shots and blocks, this statistic will highly favor them. The Artest's and Bowen's of the league will never be in contention against Ben Wallace's or Shaq's.

The other factor that is missing in all of this is fouls. Just last week, I came up with a formula of how to determine the "defensive awareness" rating for NBA Live 2005, just based off stats. At first, I just added steals and blocks together (and weighted them, too, because steals and blocks are never the same averages). This didnt tell the whole story though, upon looking at the results. It wasnt until I subtracted the number of (defensive) fouls that players committed that really told who was better defensively. Ben Wallace stood out amongst the crowd.

There are issues with using stats to determine player awards in general. They just dont quite tell the whole story....yet.

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Yeah!!!... this stat could be good when you subtract fouls... good Call!!!

I know it won't decide DPOY... and you took the answer out of my mouth when you said that you weight the differences... all the league has to do is weight the average for a guard, and so on... but... as you will see in this high school game, i just finished watching and recording... A guard... Luke Weaver had the best Total Defense... I will Post it!

Next Time... I will add Fouls to it!!!

*Denotes Starter
Player Name ... BLK --- UFM --- (FM) --- STL --- DC --- (FTO) ..... [TD]

Schenectady:
F - Armstead ....... 0 --- 3 --- (3) --- 2 --- 0 --- (2) ..... [5]
G - Banks ............ 0 --- 0 --- (0) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [0]
C - Butler ............ 0 --- 2 --- (2) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [2]
*F - Ledbetter ..... 0 --- 4 --- (4) --- 1 --- 0 --- (1) ..... [5]
*G - Lyons .......... 1 --- 1 --- (2) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [2]
*F - Miles ........... 0 --- 1 --- (1) --- 1 --- 0 --- (1) ..... [2]
*G - Robinson ...... 0 --- 2 --- (2) --- 3 --- 0 --- (3) ..... [5]
F - Van Horn ........ 0 --- 0 --- (0) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [0]
G - Villenueve ...... 0 --- 0 --- (0) --- 0 --- 1 --- (1) ..... [1]
*C - Williams ....... 0 --- 2 --- (2) --- 1 --- 0 --- (1) ..... [3]

TOTAL ................ 1 --- 15 --- (16) --- 8 --- 1 --- (9) ..... [25]

CBA (Albany):
*F - Agan .......... 1 --- 3 --- (4) --- 0 --- 1 --- (1) ..... [5]
*C - Bova .......... 4 --- 3 --- (7) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [7]
*G - Doemel ....... 0 --- 2 --- (2) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [2]
C - Goodbee ....... 1 --- 0 --- (1) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [1]
*F - Holle ........... 2 --- 5 --- (7) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [7]
*G - Raponi ......... 0 --- 1 --- (1) --- 2 --- 0 --- (2) ..... [3]
G - Burns ............ 0 --- 0 --- (0) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [0]
G - Weaver ......... 1 --- 5 --- (6) --- 2 --- 0 --- (2) ..... [8]

TOTAL ............... 9 --- 19 --- (28) --- 4 --- 1 --- (5) ..... [33]

CBA - 63 ......... SCHDY - 52

Schdy missed 41 shots... (13 open shots) ..... CBA missed 24 shots... (8 open shots)

Schdy committed 10 Turnovers... (5 self-made) ..... CBA committed 16 Turnovers... (7 self-made)


DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE GAME:

Luke Weaver ... 6 Forced Misses, 2 Forced Turnovers ... 8 Total Defense!

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

Yeah!!!... this stat could be good when you subtract fouls... good Call!!!

I know it won't decide DPOY... and you took the answer out of my mouth when you said that you weight the differences... all the league has to do is weight the average for a guard, and so on... but... as you will see in this high school game, i just finished watching and recording... A guard... Luke Weaver had the best Total Defense... I will Post it!

Next Time... I will add Fouls to it!!!

*Denotes Starter
Player Name ... BLK --- UFM --- (FM) --- STL --- DC --- (FTO) ..... [TD]

Schenectady:
F - Armstead ....... 0 --- 3 --- (3) --- 2 --- 0 --- (2) ..... [5]
G - Banks ............ 0 --- 0 --- (0) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [0]
C - Butler ............ 0 --- 2 --- (2) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [2]
*F - Ledbetter ..... 0 --- 4 --- (4) --- 1 --- 0 --- (1) ..... [5]
*G - Lyons .......... 1 --- 1 --- (2) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [2]
*F - Miles ........... 0 --- 1 --- (1) --- 1 --- 0 --- (1) ..... [2]
*G - Robinson ...... 0 --- 2 --- (2) --- 3 --- 0 --- (3) ..... [5]
F - Van Horn ........ 0 --- 0 --- (0) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [0]
G - Villenueve ...... 0 --- 0 --- (0) --- 0 --- 1 --- (1) ..... [1]
*C - Williams ....... 0 --- 2 --- (2) --- 1 --- 0 --- (1) ..... [3]

TOTAL ................ 1 --- 15 --- (16) --- 8 --- 1 --- (9) ..... [25]

CBA (Albany):
*F - Agan .......... 1 --- 3 --- (4) --- 0 --- 1 --- (1) ..... [5]
*C - Bova .......... 4 --- 3 --- (7) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [7]
*G - Doemel ....... 0 --- 2 --- (2) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [2]
C - Goodbee ....... 1 --- 0 --- (1) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [1]
*F - Holle ........... 2 --- 5 --- (7) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [7]
*G - Raponi ......... 0 --- 1 --- (1) --- 2 --- 0 --- (2) ..... [3]
G - Burns ............ 0 --- 0 --- (0) --- 0 --- 0 --- (0) ..... [0]
G - Weaver ......... 1 --- 5 --- (6) --- 2 --- 0 --- (2) ..... [8]

TOTAL ............... 9 --- 19 --- (28) --- 4 --- 1 --- (5) ..... [33]

CBA - 63 ......... SCHDY - 52

Schdy missed 41 shots... (13 open shots) ..... CBA missed 24 shots... (8 open shots)

Schdy committed 10 Turnovers... (5 self-made) ..... CBA committed 16 Turnovers... (7 self-made)


DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE GAME:

Luke Weaver ... 6 Forced Misses, 2 Forced Turnovers ... 8 Total Defense!

[SPTO]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

I know you're busy creating new stats and stuff but could you give me the PC stats for Jalen Rose and Rafer Alston? If not that's cool. I really admire your dedication to getting a fair and accurate reading of players' worth to their respective teams.

[SPTO]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

I know you're busy creating new stats and stuff but could you give me the PC stats for Jalen Rose and Rafer Alston? If not that's cool. I really admire your dedication to getting a fair and accurate reading of players' worth to their respective teams.

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

I know you're busy creating new stats and stuff but could you give me the PC stats for Jalen Rose and Rafer Alston? If not that's cool. I really admire your dedication to getting a fair and accurate reading of players' worth to their respective teams.

Thanks buddy... don't worry about it... I would be happy to send you Jalen Rose and Rafer Alston... don't forget that this thread is open up to both of the statistics I've been working on!

Jalen Rose:

PC: 15.1
PC/48: 24.5

Rafer Alston:

PC: 26.3
PC/48: 37.8

I'll Even throw In:
Chris Bosh:

PC: 20.8
PC/48: 28.8

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

I know you're busy creating new stats and stuff but could you give me the PC stats for Jalen Rose and Rafer Alston? If not that's cool. I really admire your dedication to getting a fair and accurate reading of players' worth to their respective teams.

Thanks buddy... don't worry about it... I would be happy to send you Jalen Rose and Rafer Alston... don't forget that this thread is open up to both of the statistics I've been working on!

Jalen Rose:

PC: 15.1
PC/48: 24.5

Rafer Alston:

PC: 26.3
PC/48: 37.8

I'll Even throw In:
Chris Bosh:

PC: 20.8
PC/48: 28.8

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

I'm also adding this to (TD) ... "Total Defense"

Subtracting (PF) "Personal Fouls" from it...

Since my Nets vs. Rockets one is so outdated... I'll make the new one...

This time including only FM, FTO, Fouls, and of course... Total Defense! (not the individual stats ... blocks, steals, UFM's, and Drawn Charges)

* Denotes Starters
Player Name ........... FM ..... FTO ..... Fouls ..... [TD]

New Jersey Nets:
*Jefferson ............. 3 ........ 1 ......... 4 ..... [0]
*Plananic .............. 2 ........ 1 ......... 3 ..... [0]
Best ..................... 0 ........ 0 ......... 0 ..... [0]
Buford .................. 1 ........ 0 ......... 1 ..... [0]
*Collins ................ 12 ....... 3 ......... 3 ..... [12]
A. Williams ............ 0 ......... 1 ......... 0 ..... [1]
Scalabrine ............. 3 ........ 0 ......... 1 ..... [2]
*E. Williams ........... 3 ........ 0 ......... 4 ..... [-1]
*Mourning ............. 8 ........ 0 ......... 6 ..... [2]
Vaughn ................. 1 ........ 1 ......... 2 ..... [0]
Storey .................. 0 ........ 0 ......... 0 ..... [0]
Krstic ................... 0 ......... 0 ........ 0 ..... [0]

TOTAL .................. 33 ....... 7 ........ 24 ..... [16]

Houston Rockets:
McGrady ............... 3 ......... 4 ........ 2 ..... [5]
Ward .................... 5 ......... 3 ........ 2 ..... [10]
Jackson ................ 3 ......... 2 ........ 3 ..... [2]
Taylor .................. 5 ......... 0 ........ 4 ..... [1]
Ming .................... 7 .......... 2 ........ 5 ..... [4]
Howard ................ 1 .......... 0 ........ 4 ..... [-3]
Mutumbo .............. 9 .......... 0 ........ 1 ..... [8]
Lue ..................... 3 .......... 1 ........ 2 ..... [2]
Bowen ................. 1 .......... 1 ........ 3 ..... [-1]

TOTAL ................. 37 ........ 13 ....... 26 ..... [24]


The Nets missed 52 Shots (15 Open Shots)
The Nets committed 19 Turnovers (6 Self-made)

The Rockets missed 41 Shots (8 Open Shots)
The Rockets committed 12 Turnovers (5 Self-made)

Score (TD)
Rockets: 80 (24)
Nets: 69 (16)

DEFENSE PREVAILS AGAIN!

Defensive Player of the Game:[Jason Collins] (12 FM, 3 FTO... 12 TD)

Of course I would award it to the player on the winning team:
..... [Dikembe Mutumbo] (9 FM ... 8 TD)

[X*Cell]

Re: Points Created Leaders So Far...

I'm also adding this to (TD) ... "Total Defense"

Subtracting (PF) "Personal Fouls" from it...

Since my Nets vs. Rockets one is so outdated... I'll make the new one...

This time including only FM, FTO, Fouls, and of course... Total Defense! (not the individual stats ... blocks, steals, UFM's, and Drawn Charges)

* Denotes Starters
Player Name ........... FM ..... FTO ..... Fouls ..... [TD]

New Jersey Nets:
*Jefferson ............. 3 ........ 1 ......... 4 ..... [0]
*Plananic .............. 2 ........ 1 ......... 3 ..... [0]
Best ..................... 0 ........ 0 ......... 0 ..... [0]
Buford .................. 1 ........ 0 ......... 1 ..... [0]
*Collins ................ 12 ....... 3 ......... 3 ..... [12]
A. Williams ............ 0 ......... 1 ......... 0 ..... [1]
Scalabrine ............. 3 ........ 0 ......... 1 ..... [2]
*E. Williams ........... 3 ........ 0 ......... 4 ..... [-1]
*Mourning ............. 8 ........ 0 ......... 6 ..... [2]
Vaughn ................. 1 ........ 1 ......... 2 ..... [0]
Storey .................. 0 ........ 0 ......... 0 ..... [0]
Krstic ................... 0 ......... 0 ........ 0 ..... [0]

TOTAL .................. 33 ....... 7 ........ 24 ..... [16]

Houston Rockets:
McGrady ............... 3 ......... 4 ........ 2 ..... [5]
Ward .................... 5 ......... 3 ........ 2 ..... [10]
Jackson ................ 3 ......... 2 ........ 3 ..... [2]
Taylor .................. 5 ......... 0 ........ 4 ..... [1]
Ming .................... 7 .......... 2 ........ 5 ..... [4]
Howard ................ 1 .......... 0 ........ 4 ..... [-3]
Mutumbo .............. 9 .......... 0 ........ 1 ..... [8]
Lue ..................... 3 .......... 1 ........ 2 ..... [2]
Bowen ................. 1 .......... 1 ........ 3 ..... [-1]

TOTAL ................. 37 ........ 13 ....... 26 ..... [24]


The Nets missed 52 Shots (15 Open Shots)
The Nets committed 19 Turnovers (6 Self-made)

The Rockets missed 41 Shots (8 Open Shots)
The Rockets committed 12 Turnovers (5 Self-made)

Score (TD)
Rockets: 80 (24)
Nets: 69 (16)

DEFENSE PREVAILS AGAIN!

Defensive Player of the Game:[Jason Collins] (12 FM, 3 FTO... 12 TD)

Of course I would award it to the player on the winning team:
..... [Dikembe Mutumbo] (9 FM ... 8 TD)