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  • Slip
    MVP
    • Oct 2002
    • 1526

    #91
    Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

    I made the comment about forming an opinion before you brought up those instances. Meaning, that I didnt know which instances you may have been referring to, meaning I didnt form an opinion on them.

    And I did bash the players for the instances you stated above

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      yellow
      • Sep 2002
      • 66469

      #92
      Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

      Originally posted by Slip
      I made the comment about forming an opinion before you brought up those instances. Meaning, that I didnt know which instances you may have been referring to, meaning I didnt form an opinion on them.

      So you mean you had an opinion on the guys who you didnt know about..


      And I did bash the players for the instances you stated above
      but I thought you didnt have an opinion on the other guys because you didnt know what instances have happened because
      It's not always apparent when you assume just by watching.
      Or was it because they didnt say they didnt give it 100%?

      Must be nice to play both sides of the fence

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        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #93
        Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

        Originally posted by Slip
        I made the comment about forming an opinion before you brought up those instances. Meaning, that I didnt know which instances you may have been referring to, meaning I didnt form an opinion on them.

        So you mean you had an opinion on the guys who you didnt know about..


        And I did bash the players for the instances you stated above
        but I thought you didnt have an opinion on the other guys because you didnt know what instances have happened because
        It's not always apparent when you assume just by watching.
        Or was it because they didnt say they didnt give it 100%?

        Must be nice to play both sides of the fence

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        • ZigZag
          MVP
          • Sep 2002
          • 2668

          #94
          Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

          I think ppl ripped Carter more because he didn't even step on the court half the time...then when he did he didn't try.

          T-mac is a similar but different situation. It's similar because neither tried as hard every game cause they were on loosing teams. But McGrady never got a bogus injury and only play 20 games...he only missed 20. The thing is though is that McGrady's team was just horrible last year. The front office brought in same calibur players that do the same thing as the players they already had. Therefore, they had those similar players playing out of there natural position...there for henced the collaspe of the magic season. I think it's basically the office doing too much of a drastic change. All they needed was a center and a pg. They brought in neither.

          But like one poster said this is a "what have you done for me lately" league. And T-mac is proving his worth.... I think McGrady is gonna do more to take his team to the next level... Yao just ain't got it quite yet, and is still very inconsistent. Just give them some time, a PG, and a tough banger/rebounder. And they'll be EXTREMELY good. In this convo wouldn't even come up.

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          • ZigZag
            MVP
            • Sep 2002
            • 2668

            #95
            Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

            I think ppl ripped Carter more because he didn't even step on the court half the time...then when he did he didn't try.

            T-mac is a similar but different situation. It's similar because neither tried as hard every game cause they were on loosing teams. But McGrady never got a bogus injury and only play 20 games...he only missed 20. The thing is though is that McGrady's team was just horrible last year. The front office brought in same calibur players that do the same thing as the players they already had. Therefore, they had those similar players playing out of there natural position...there for henced the collaspe of the magic season. I think it's basically the office doing too much of a drastic change. All they needed was a center and a pg. They brought in neither.

            But like one poster said this is a "what have you done for me lately" league. And T-mac is proving his worth.... I think McGrady is gonna do more to take his team to the next level... Yao just ain't got it quite yet, and is still very inconsistent. Just give them some time, a PG, and a tough banger/rebounder. And they'll be EXTREMELY good. In this convo wouldn't even come up.

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            • Slip
              MVP
              • Oct 2002
              • 1526

              #96
              Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

              KDRE, stop twisting my words around.

              You first said that many players have not played their hardest, and I said when I hear about it from them(which is probably all we can believe for SURE, straight from the horses mouth), I will form an opinion.

              then you bring up specific instances of players not giving it their all in a few games. I THOUGHT, based on the topic, you mean not trying their hardest through a season. therefore, I didnt think of the instances you had mentioned.

              You mention the instances, I say "Oh, so your talking about those times"(In the beginning I thought you meant players dogging a season, and why wouldnt I, it was the subject of the thread).

              So I say I have bashed those respective players for those instances, which I have.

              It was just a misunderstanding. I thought you were talking about something like Andre Miller not playing hard two years ago because of this reason or another. I didnt know we were talking about specific games.

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              • Slip
                MVP
                • Oct 2002
                • 1526

                #97
                Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

                KDRE, stop twisting my words around.

                You first said that many players have not played their hardest, and I said when I hear about it from them(which is probably all we can believe for SURE, straight from the horses mouth), I will form an opinion.

                then you bring up specific instances of players not giving it their all in a few games. I THOUGHT, based on the topic, you mean not trying their hardest through a season. therefore, I didnt think of the instances you had mentioned.

                You mention the instances, I say "Oh, so your talking about those times"(In the beginning I thought you meant players dogging a season, and why wouldnt I, it was the subject of the thread).

                So I say I have bashed those respective players for those instances, which I have.

                It was just a misunderstanding. I thought you were talking about something like Andre Miller not playing hard two years ago because of this reason or another. I didnt know we were talking about specific games.

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                  yellow
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 66469

                  #98
                  Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

                  Originally posted by Slip
                  KDRE, stop twisting my words around.
                  You first said that many players have not played their hardest, and I said when I hear about it from them(which is probably all we can believe for SURE, straight from the horses mouth), I will form an opinion.

                  then you bring up specific instances of players not giving it their all in a few games. I THOUGHT, based on the topic, you mean not trying their hardest through a season. therefore, I didnt think of the instances you had mentioned.

                  You mention the instances, I say "Oh, so your talking about those times"(In the beginning I thought you meant players dogging a season, and why wouldnt I, it was the subject of the thread).


                  Twisting your words??

                  Slip you said:
                  I mean, this guy openly said that he didnt play his hardest, and basically all he cared about was winning the scoring title to save HIS image in the NBA.....what the hell is that about? If that isnt considered selfish, I dont know what is.

                  now after i give you examples of players doing the same thing(being selfish as you call it) you then say
                  When I hear them come out and say it I'll form an opinion on it
                  so as I caught you being selective in your outrage you then say
                  It's not always apparent when you assume just by watching.
                  And also
                  Bust when Mac comes out and says he didnt try his hardest and he tried to save his own image by winning the scoring title, well then it's a whole new ballgame.
                  Which I find amusing.. also that you on one hand say, he isnt trying hard, yet, without a single effort he wins the scoring title and its a new ballgame, but why?


                  Then you go on to say
                  When I hear them come out and say it I'll form an opinion on it
                  right before you said
                  I didnt know which instances you may have been referring to, meaning I didnt form an opinion on them.
                  And that
                  I did bash the players for the instances you stated above
                  Although you had no opinion on them because
                  I'm saying is its hard to tell wether a person is trying hard or not, among other things.
                  Those are your own contradictory quotes


                  So I say I have bashed those respective players for those instances, which I have.
                  Although you didnt have an opinion on them, or other instances because you cant tell by looking at them whether they were giving full effort or not because they didnt say so.


                  It was just a misunderstanding. I thought you were talking about something like Andre Miller not playing hard two years ago because of this reason or another.
                  So again you are assuming things that I never even mentioned, and on top of that you say you know Andre Miller wasnt playing his hardest by looking at him, even though he never said he wasnt playing his best, although from all of the other players you can't tell if they are giving a full effort or not by looking at them, yet you bashed them for it anyway.

                  I didnt know we were talking about specific games.
                  Wow...

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                    yellow
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 66469

                    #99
                    Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

                    Originally posted by Slip
                    KDRE, stop twisting my words around.
                    You first said that many players have not played their hardest, and I said when I hear about it from them(which is probably all we can believe for SURE, straight from the horses mouth), I will form an opinion.

                    then you bring up specific instances of players not giving it their all in a few games. I THOUGHT, based on the topic, you mean not trying their hardest through a season. therefore, I didnt think of the instances you had mentioned.

                    You mention the instances, I say "Oh, so your talking about those times"(In the beginning I thought you meant players dogging a season, and why wouldnt I, it was the subject of the thread).


                    Twisting your words??

                    Slip you said:
                    I mean, this guy openly said that he didnt play his hardest, and basically all he cared about was winning the scoring title to save HIS image in the NBA.....what the hell is that about? If that isnt considered selfish, I dont know what is.

                    now after i give you examples of players doing the same thing(being selfish as you call it) you then say
                    When I hear them come out and say it I'll form an opinion on it
                    so as I caught you being selective in your outrage you then say
                    It's not always apparent when you assume just by watching.
                    And also
                    Bust when Mac comes out and says he didnt try his hardest and he tried to save his own image by winning the scoring title, well then it's a whole new ballgame.
                    Which I find amusing.. also that you on one hand say, he isnt trying hard, yet, without a single effort he wins the scoring title and its a new ballgame, but why?


                    Then you go on to say
                    When I hear them come out and say it I'll form an opinion on it
                    right before you said
                    I didnt know which instances you may have been referring to, meaning I didnt form an opinion on them.
                    And that
                    I did bash the players for the instances you stated above
                    Although you had no opinion on them because
                    I'm saying is its hard to tell wether a person is trying hard or not, among other things.
                    Those are your own contradictory quotes


                    So I say I have bashed those respective players for those instances, which I have.
                    Although you didnt have an opinion on them, or other instances because you cant tell by looking at them whether they were giving full effort or not because they didnt say so.


                    It was just a misunderstanding. I thought you were talking about something like Andre Miller not playing hard two years ago because of this reason or another.
                    So again you are assuming things that I never even mentioned, and on top of that you say you know Andre Miller wasnt playing his hardest by looking at him, even though he never said he wasnt playing his best, although from all of the other players you can't tell if they are giving a full effort or not by looking at them, yet you bashed them for it anyway.

                    I didnt know we were talking about specific games.
                    Wow...

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                    • PlayaHataSupreme
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 2209

                      #100
                      Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

                      OWNED!!!
                      Favorite Teams:
                      NBA: Houston Rockets
                      NFL: Tennessee Titans
                      MLB: Chicago White Sox
                      NCAA: Florida State Seminoles


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                      • PlayaHataSupreme
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 2209

                        #101
                        Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

                        OWNED!!!
                        Favorite Teams:
                        NBA: Houston Rockets
                        NFL: Tennessee Titans
                        MLB: Chicago White Sox
                        NCAA: Florida State Seminoles


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                        • Kashanova
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 12695

                          #102
                          Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

                          Originally posted by PlayaHataSupreme
                          OWNED!!!
                          i agree with that wow...

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                          • Kashanova
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 12695

                            #103
                            Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

                            Originally posted by PlayaHataSupreme
                            OWNED!!!
                            i agree with that wow...

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                            • Dynasty4Kobe
                              MVP
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 2769

                              #104
                              Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

                              Why does Kobe's name continually pop up in these threads? The funny thing is, it's the people that DON'T like him that start the comparisons.

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                              • Dynasty4Kobe
                                MVP
                                • Apr 2003
                                • 2769

                                #105
                                Re: OK, I'll start it...thoughts on McGrady?

                                Why does Kobe's name continually pop up in these threads? The funny thing is, it's the people that DON'T like him that start the comparisons.

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