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  • ProfessaPackMan
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    • Mar 2008
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    #211
    1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by ojandpizza
    Because it doesn’t help them in the short term either.. you don’t make trades that jeopardize one if they are at best lateral at best in the other. None of those trades get them closer to winning a championship this season and gives them less trade pieces moving into this offseason. Two years in the LeBron timeline. Sure they would make a trade that hurts them long term IF it put them in position to get a ring now, none of those options do that. They are bad for the short term, bad long term, and bad immediately following this season.




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    As with any trade, it would depend on what they give up, what they would be losing and can it be replaced via one player or a combination of players. I can’t sit here and say they’ll be bad for the short/long term without knowing what they’d be getting first. But that’s a discussion that can be saved for the offseason.

    And they’re ring or bust for the next two years, not just this year so any move they make is going to be geared strictly towards that and not the long term, like it’s always been with them for the last 20 years.
    Last edited by ProfessaPackMan; 01-21-2020, 11:03 PM.
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    • georgiafan
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jul 2002
      • 11125

      #212
      Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

      I wouldn't trade Kuz and his cheap contract for a veteran role player
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      • cima
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        • Sep 2004
        • 13478

        #213
        Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by ojandpizza
        All the rumored Kuz trades for guys like Rose, Morris, Crowder, Covington make the Lakers worse long term, give them less tradable assets for after this season, and get them no closer to winning a championship this year. Awful trades.


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        They would absolutely be better with Rose, Morris, Collison, and Iggy or just even Rose and Morris than they would with Kuzma. They need someone like Rose who can score on his own and they need someone like Morris who won't get abused by bigger wings. Now I don't know how Morris has been on defense this year but I know he has the size to handle these bigger wings that have been abusing the Lakers guards.

        Lakers ain't worried about their future, they got AD and LeBron's contract coming off the books in the future. LeBron's window is rapidly closing and he's starting to look his age at times. They have to go all-in now.

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        • areobee401
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          • Apr 2006
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          #214
          Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

          Yeah, Lakers stopped worrying what the future will look like already. I’m not sure why they draw the line at trading away Kuzma of all people when you’re clearly in championship or bust mode in the short term.
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          • ojandpizza
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            • Apr 2011
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            #215
            Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by cima
            They would absolutely be better with Rose, Morris, Collison, and Iggy or just even Rose and Morris than they would with Kuzma. They need someone like Rose who can score on his own and they need someone like Morris who won't get abused by bigger wings. Now I don't know how Morris has been on defense this year but I know he has the size to handle these bigger wings that have been abusing the Lakers guards.

            Lakers ain't worried about their future, they got AD and LeBron's contract coming off the books in the future. LeBron's window is rapidly closing and he's starting to look his age at times. They have to go all-in now.
            Absolutely none of those players make them any better than what they are right now, If it's Collison they want they don't need to move Kuz to get him, same with Iggy if there is a buyout. They aren't trading Kuz+Green to match money for Iggy in a trade.

            Every one of those trades put them in worse position this off-season as well. Everyone keeps talking about Bron's window like next season isn't part of Bron's window.

            What makes you believe they are better with Rose? How does he fix their defense against wings? How does he give them a play-maker? How does he give them a knock down outside shooter to play off Bron/AD.. He can get to the rim, hit some mid range shots but what makes you think he will have the ball? Rose has to have the ball in his hands...They don't get Kuz touches now when they have both Bron and AD what makes you think they would get Rose touches? What would be different? They going to get Rose and all of a sudden Vogel is going to stop running all those iso plays for AD?? lol what would be different in your eyes?

            This whole idea feels like because he's scoring 18 a game on the awful Pistons.. If they make this trade and Kuz goes to Detroit and gets 30+ minutes he going to average 25 a night, Rose would come to the Lakers not get touches and drop down to 12 or so like Kuz is now.. All while losing them another wing player where they are already dry on anybody who can play the 3 behind Bron.

            Markieff Morris is definitely not the Morris they need/want, where is he going to get minutes? The only way this trade would make any sense at all is if the got back Kennard.. Detroit isn't going to do that and it's still a bad trade for the Lakers unless their game plan is to have 9 shooting guards in their rotation.

            They can get the version of Rose they need for free in Collison. They don't need both of them, and they don't need to lose Kuzma at all to get one of them.

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            • ojandpizza
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              • Apr 2011
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              #216
              Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by areobee401
              Yeah, Lakers stopped worrying what the future will look like already. I’m not sure why they draw the line at trading away Kuzma of all people when you’re clearly in championship or bust mode in the short term.
              I don't disagree, but none of the "rumored" trades get them any closer to a ring is more so my point. Those guys aren't making them better, the only rumor that really worked for them was the Bogdanovic trade.. Even then they would have to sign Collison, and figure out how to rotate a roster half full of shooting guards. But simply slotting him in Bradley's role would have easily given them an offensive boost. None of these other guys do that, none of them can really play off of AD which is the only issue they even have with Kuzma right now. Kuz is fine when he gets minutes/touches, his play isn't the issue it's the fact that they can't work in all 3 of them together.

              These trades would be the equivalent of "Boston is in win now mode we need to trade Marcus Smart for Goran Dragic"..
              Last edited by ojandpizza; 01-22-2020, 11:09 AM.

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              • cima
                Hall Of Fame
                • Sep 2004
                • 13478

                #217
                Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

                Rose is averaging 18/5.8 but he wouldn't solve their playmaking issue? Lol, yes he would. LeBron is the only wing or guard on this team that can create his own offense, hell AD doesn't really even make his own offense either, so Rose would literally be the only other dude on the Lakers that could create his own shot. He doesn't necessarily need to be on the floor when LeBron is, but Rose/LeBron couldn't possibly be worse than the Rondo/LeBron lineups.

                Obviously the preferred choices are Collison and Iggy. But the Clippers are in play here too. Mo Harkless has seen his minutes reduced the last 2 games and he has the salary to get them Iggy through trade. Mo is younger but you don't hang on to Mo Harkless if it can stop your biggest rival from getting a guy (Iggy) that could give your star players fits in the playoffs.

                And Collison is supposedly waiting until after the trade deadline to sign. So what if the Lakers don't make a move, Clips get Iggy AND THEN sign Collison? That's worst-case scenario and definitely a realistic possibility that would really cripple them.

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                • ojandpizza
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                  • Apr 2011
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                  #218
                  Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by cima
                  Rose is averaging 18/5.8 but he wouldn't solve their playmaking issue? Lol, yes he would. LeBron is the only wing or guard on this team that can create his own offense, hell AD doesn't really even make his own offense either, so Rose would literally be the only other dude on the Lakers that could create his own shot. He doesn't necessarily need to be on the floor when LeBron is, but Rose/LeBron couldn't possibly be worse than the Rondo/LeBron lineups.

                  Obviously the preferred choices are Collison and Iggy. But the Clippers are in play here too. Mo Harkless has seen his minutes reduced the last 2 games and he has the salary to get them Iggy through trade. Mo is younger but you don't hang on to Mo Harkless if it can stop your biggest rival from getting a guy (Iggy) that could give your star players fits in the playoffs.

                  And Collison is supposedly waiting until after the trade deadline to sign. So what if the Lakers don't make a move, Clips get Iggy AND THEN sign Collison? That's worst-case scenario and definitely a realistic possibility that would really cripple them.
                  And if the Clipps get Iggy and Collison trading Kuzma for Rose fixes that problem? They can't worry about whatever the hell the Clippers are doing, they would be 2-0 against them if their 2 best players upped their game in both of those games, which has nothing to do with Kuz. Hell Kuz had 25 on them. They have played better than them for the majority of the season and have no guarantee of even seeing them in the playoffs.

                  Since what Rose averages for Detroit matters what would Kuz average for Detroit? Since when has Rose been a great play-maker, and since when can Kuz not create his own shot also? We have already seen Rose play with LeBron, how was that fit? Or is he really that much better now and not just getting numbers on a team that puts the ball in his hands?

                  Kuz averaged 19 a game next to LeBron last season, how did that change once they added AD? How does Rose change that dynamic of them not being able to work in touches for whoever that guy number 3 is?

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                  • ojandpizza
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 29807

                    #219
                    Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

                    And like I said before you even responded averaging 18/5 for Detroit is no indication of what he would give the Lakers. Rose's usage rate when he's on the floor is the same as LeBron's this season. They aren't putting the ball in his hands that much if he goes to LA.

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                    • georgiafan
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                      • Jul 2002
                      • 11125

                      #220
                      Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

                      The Clippers will be without Kawhi, Paul George and Pat Bev tonight with the game being in Atlanta.
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                      • ProfessaPackMan
                        Bamma
                        • Mar 2008
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                        #221
                        Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by areobee401
                        Yeah, Lakers stopped worrying what the future will look like already. I’m not sure why they draw the line at trading away Kuzma of all people when you’re clearly in championship or bust mode in the short term.
                        They stopped worrying about the future years ago.

                        Like “beginning of the century” years ago.
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                        • ojandpizza
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Apr 2011
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                          #222
                          Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

                          The only "rumor" I've read that really made any sense was the Lakers trading for MKG and using his contract to get Iggy.. The Lakers don't have the pieces to get Iggy, esp without using Green's contract, which makes any trade for him instantly a bad one. Giving up Green or Kuz in a swap for Iggy does not get them any closer to a championship..

                          They can however get MKG, who's contract allows them a 1:1 swap with Iggy.. The proposed deal was something along the lines of Daniels, Cook, and Cousins/Bradley, with 1 mil cash or something along those lines to sweeten the deal.. They could then move MKG and a couple of later second round picks in exchange for Iggy... Thus clearing the roster spot to sign Collison in the process..

                          2nd unit of Collison, Kuz, Iggy would potentially be much better than trading Kuzma plus matching money away for players that aren't even better than Kuzma.

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                          • jeebs9
                            Fear is the Unknown
                            • Oct 2008
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                            #223
                            Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

                            It's Zion night in the NBA lol.

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                            • dubcity
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                              #224
                              Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by jeebs9
                              It's Zion night in the NBA lol.

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                              Last edited by dubcity; 01-22-2020, 04:19 PM.

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                              • ojandpizza
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                                • Apr 2011
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                                #225
                                Re: 1/15 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

                                “New York very good at defending the paint although not a great defensive team overall”..

                                Sounds like they have 19 power forwards or something..


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