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  • georgiafan
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    • Jul 2002
    • 11106

    #436
    Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by illwill10
    Yeah, I wouldn't want to trade either one of them for a 31 year old ball dominant guard who has a couple years left in prime. Especially Simmons, who turned 24 this summer, coming off All NBA and All Defense.
    Even then giving up Harris, Thybulle, Richardson, and picks, is Harden, Embiid, and Simmons a good trio. Then you still have Horford, no thanks. Usually with Big 3s, the third option is a primary off ball shooter. I don't see how Simmons will fit in that trio

    I rather them try to trade Horford and Harris with the likelihood of giving up 1st rd picks and Thybulle and Richardson.
    Yea it seems like a bad fit and someone would get lost in the mix with that trio. If you wait till next offseason when Hardin is a year older and year close to FA then his price tag would come down. I assume both teams know you can't have Westbrook and Simmons on the same team. Until he proves otherwise Hardin doesn't make his team better and seems to be a stats only guy that's not what Philly needs.
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    • georgiafan
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      • Jul 2002
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      #437
      Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

      Players will vote soon on a dec 22nd start

      The NBA and its players association will vote on a 72-game season as soon as Thursday, according to Shams Charania of The Athletic and Stadium.
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      • illwill10
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        • Mar 2009
        • 19827

        #438
        Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

        Originally posted by zello144
        They need to get rid of Horford but his contract is going to be hard to trade.
        I agree.

        He's in a similar situation to CP3. He obviously doesn't make as much money, but similar situation. Where he can definitely help a contending team. But do you really want to have 34+ year old player with a max contract that isn't expiring on the books. He doesn't rebound like he use to in 2013. The only chance is like with CP3, trading him to a rebuilding team for a young disgruntled star giving up 1st round picks. I still would like to explore a possible Buddy Hield trade. I know Kings had interest last year. Maybe he could help mentor Bagley.

        It is a hard trade to try to figure out. The teams with the most cap space(Knicks, AtL, Detroit, and Charlotte) either don't have a need or any one Sixers could use in return. He will have a cap around 28 mill, so unless it's a one to one trade with a disgruntled max player, they might have to eat that cap or do a salary dump taking back other bad contracts.

        I was thinking about a one for one trade involving Horford. How would yall feel about Horford for Kevin Love. Salaries match up, still a undesirable contract for Sixers but a better fit. Felt like there has been rumors of Cavs shopping him since LeBron left. He would be a better fit alongside Embiid and Simmons

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        • georgiafan
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          • Jul 2002
          • 11106

          #439
          Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by illwill10
          I agree.

          He's in a similar situation to CP3. He obviously doesn't make as much money, but similar situation. Where he can definitely help a contending team. But do you really want to have 34+ year old player with a max contract that isn't expiring on the books. He doesn't rebound like he use to in 2013. The only chance is like with CP3, trading him to a rebuilding team for a young disgruntled star giving up 1st round picks. I still would like to explore a possible Buddy Hield trade. I know Kings had interest last year. Maybe he could help mentor Bagley.

          It is a hard trade to try to figure out. The teams with the most cap space(Knicks, AtL, Detroit, and Charlotte) either don't have a need or any one Sixers could use in return. He will have a cap around 28 mill, so unless it's a one to one trade with a disgruntled max player, they might have to eat that cap or do a salary dump taking back other bad contracts.

          I was thinking about a one for one trade involving Horford. How would yall feel about Horford for Kevin Love. Salaries match up, still a undesirable contract for Sixers but a better fit. Felt like there has been rumors of Cavs shopping him since LeBron left. He would be a better fit alongside Embiid and Simmons
          I think Hield is the best case for philly and if Sacramento pay bogdanvic 15+ a year then buddy becomes a lot more available. Buddy’s contract is worse then most people realize as he is 28 and the big contract hasn’t even started yet. Sacramento is always doing weird things and bringing al’s leadership in does make some sense. Their is a way for them to make the deal happen with some assets as Al’s contract is a year shorter.

          I hadn’t thought about Love, but I kinda like that
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          • illwill10
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            • Mar 2009
            • 19827

            #440
            Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by georgiafan
            I think Hield is the best case for philly and if Sacramento pay bogdanvic 15+ a year then buddy becomes a lot more available. Buddy’s contract is worse then most people realize as he is 28 and the big contract hasn’t even started yet. Sacramento is always doing weird things and bringing al’s leadership in does make some sense. Their is a way for them to make the deal happen with some assets as Al’s contract is a year shorter.

            I hadn’t thought about Love, but I kinda like that
            The hope for Buddy for Sixers is that he would be a 40% 3pt shooter who can fill the JJ Reddick role. I feel the only way to offload Horford is to take on another "bad contract ", so the hope is to have bad contract that at least fills a need.
            I was looking through rosters for bad contracts and thought of Love. You could put Love at PF. He still can be a valuable shooter and get rebounds. I would still like a way to get rid of Harris as well if you go after Love.
            I think Horford would help Kings more than Cavs though. Kings are "closer" and he could be a good leader and mentor Bagley. With Cavs, the only real benefit would be his leadership. It'll just be another 32+ max player with 3 years on deal that isn't a superstar player.

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            • ojandpizza
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              • Apr 2011
              • 29807

              #441
              Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

              Some internet “rumors” now suggesting that Giannis would re-sign a long term deal if traded to Miami. I’m assuming Giannis would have to basically say that he wanted to be moved, and I don’t see that happening, but if it did what would it take to make that happen? Miami recently claimed Bam was untouchable, would Herro, Nunn, Duncan, 3-4 first round picks and some swaps get a deal done?

              It looks like Miami could have enough guys coming off the books to take back a contract like Bledsoe as well, possibly send one of those picks/players to Indiana for Oladipo to head to Milwaukee or something similar.

              Would it be enough. If Giannis did ask out he’s got the power to say he would only sign in Miami, similar to Anthony Davis scenario.


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              • georgiafan
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                • Jul 2002
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                #442
                Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                If that’s true and He wants to go to Miami. I would Just wait it out and sign with them next offseason especially with this shorter season Ahead. You aren’t trading him without Atleast 4-5 quality pieces. You would gut the team and your also joining the team when they over performed so your making expectations really high.


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                • ojandpizza
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                  • Apr 2011
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                  #443
                  Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by georgiafan
                  If that’s true and He wants to go to Miami. I would Just wait it out and sign with them next offseason especially with this shorter season Ahead. You aren’t trading him without Atleast 4-5 quality pieces. You would gut the team and your also joining the team when they over performed so your making expectations really high.


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                  But Milwaukee isn’t going to what to lose him for nothing either..

                  Jimmy, Giannis, Bam, possibly bringing back guys like Dragic, Crowder, and fillers. They would be a prime spot for some cheap minimum deals as well. They would have a better starting point than the Lakers did with basically only Bron, AD, Kuz before they jumped in signing and resigning the rest of their roster after waiting on Kawhi.


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                  • Majingir
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                    • Apr 2005
                    • 47621

                    #444
                    Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by georgiafan
                    Players will vote soon on a dec 22nd start



                    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...osed-nba-start
                    I get they want more games and less back to backs, but I wonder how a start on short notice would work. FA hasn't even begun yet. They have no idea where teams will be playing, if bubbles will happen, or any of that.

                    If training camps start December 1st, can you really have a draft and FA literally a few weeks before training camp? Guys gotta move their whole family to a diff city in a week or two notice?

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                    • georgiafan
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                      • Jul 2002
                      • 11106

                      #445
                      Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                      Giannis doesn't seem like the kind of guy that's going to demand a trade especially with the season likely starting in 7 weeks. Milwaukee has to show they are willing to pay the luxury tax and resign him. They are saying all the right things now, but lets see if it happens. If I'm trading him a year out then I'm asking for a young player that's better then Herro and Duncan Robinson and some late 1st.

                      Originally posted by ojandpizza
                      But Milwaukee isn’t going to what to lose him for nothing either..

                      Jimmy, Giannis, Bam, possibly bringing back guys like Dragic, Crowder, and fillers. They would be a prime spot for some cheap minimum deals as well. They would have a better starting point than the Lakers did with basically only Bron, AD, Kuz before they jumped in signing and resigning the rest of their roster after waiting on Kawhi.


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                      Its a lot to figure out but from what I've heard delaying the start till MLK day is going to lose about 500 million $. I think because it would again put the TV deal below the 70 game mark. The other thing is the "delete 8" teams haven't played any games in about 10 months. I've see the theory of staggering the start out for the 4 teams thats went deep into the playoffs.

                      Originally posted by Majingir
                      I get they want more games and less back to backs, but I wonder how a start on short notice would work. FA hasn't even begun yet. They have no idea where teams will be playing, if bubbles will happen, or any of that.

                      If training camps start December 1st, can you really have a draft and FA literally a few weeks before training camp? Guys gotta move their whole family to a diff city in a week or two notice?
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                      • ProfessaPackMan
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                        • Mar 2008
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                        #446
                        Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                        Pelicans discussing trading Jrue Holiday per Shams.
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                        • georgiafan
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                          • Jul 2002
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                          #447
                          Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                          Pelicans discussing trading Jrue Holiday per Shams.
                          That makes a lot of sense they can get a good haul back for him and they are a few years away from really contending. They will be a lot of teams after him which the first of those likely being Golden State. I'm not sure I would take Wiggins and the 2nd pick for him though.
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                          • ojandpizza
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                            • Apr 2011
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                            #448
                            Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                            This is intriguing because there are so many suiters where he makes a lot of sense. Nets and Lakers have both had rumors of trying to acquire him but both of the returns for New Orleans weren't amazing. Nuggest and Bucks are both interesting because they are both positioned to go win-now mode and maybe overpay to an extent with picks/swaps which has been the trend for acquiring starting level talent as of late. Both of them could offer someone like DiVincenzo, or Bol Bol to try and sweeten the deal with a nice young player to fit the Pelicans timeline.

                            To me the Nuggets should have the best avenue to get him. They can offer picks, they can offer Bol Bol who would be somewhat expendable if they pay Grant, maybe even bring back Millsap on the cheap. Gary Harris would be a good replacement for him in New Orleans and would be redundant on Denver's roster if they acquired Jrue, and if other teams were making tough counters Denver could even ship Monte Morris out, and at least match the picks that any other team would offer but likely 1 up them to get it done.

                            With Milwaukee it's harder because any young talent they send out is going to kill their depth, and they don't have anything (like Harris/Barton) to send back that replaces Jrue in their rotation. That is assuming they do not want Bledsoe. But if they are confident Giannis will stay they should be willing to overpay in terms sending out draft picks. They could likely get creative with a 3rd team and put together a really solid offer. This isn't adding another "super star" but with how well Jrue paired with AD you would think this would be really attractive for them to pair him with Giannis.

                            With the Nets it depends what they are sending out but it seems like LeVert/Dinwiddie would be the main piece with Prince the main salary filler. Dinwiddie, to me, isn't a super attractive piece for New Orleans, especially considering he would likely be a 1 year rental unless they decided to pay more than anyone else to keep him. LeVert is a solid young piece, but a bit of a volume scorer that you're sticking next to BI and Zion, and is seemingly somewhat of an injury risk. In most years that 19th pick would be a solid motivator but in this draft the 19th pick doesn't seem all that attractive, but especially so when the Nuggets sit just 3 picks later at 22. I think the Nets would have to trade LeVert and overpay with picks, or multiple picks and Allen to reach the best offer.. And I'm just not sure they do that considering they'll likely want some of those picks to explore separate moves, this all for one guy offer would likely be a move for Beal not Holiday. I will say getting Jrue and being able to keep Dinwiddie on the roster at 6th man would be huge for them and chemistry wise maybe "smarter" than gunning for a 3rd superstar.

                            The Lakers move to me is the least likely and makes the least sense for both sides. To send out the money it would be Green, fillers, then Kuzma as the main trade piece, and possibly this years first, or 2027 first. The Pelicans were high on Kuzma, if they still are really high on Kuz then maybe this is an attractive offer for them, but idk.. Alternates are bringing in a 3rd team, sign and trade KCP, an agreement to loosen some of the restrictions on the picks from the AD trade. They could get creative there but not sure it's the most attractive offer. Regardless I don't think it makes sense for the Lakers anyways, trading out half the championship roster for Jrue Holiday, similar to the Nets this would make more sense in a play for Beal.. Only way I could see the Lakers exploring overpaying for Jrue would be a combination of 1.) they know Rondo is leaving, 2.) they aren't landing any of their targeted free agents, 3.) AD REALLY wants him, 4.) they aren't confident in getting a 3rd star the next off-season... Plus though Jrue is a big upgrade I think that hurts the Lakers defensive versatility a bit. Green was big enough to defend 2s and 3s, KCP just quick enough to defend 1-3, and they even used Kuz's length for spot defensive minutes on guys like Kawhi and Westbrook.

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                            • ojandpizza
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                              • Apr 2011
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                              #449
                              2020 Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by georgiafan
                              That makes a lot of sense they can get a good haul back for him and they are a few years away from really contending. They will be a lot of teams after him which the first of those likely being Golden State. I'm not sure I would take Wiggins and the 2nd pick for him though.


                              I see Golden State pop up in so many scenarios where they are trading Wiggins for another guard. Like their game plan is to start the season with no small forwards and no centers on the roster lol. Mostly likely Klay can play the 3, and I bet they are pushing hard for a guy like Ibaka with whatever exception they have this off-season.

                              If I'm New Orleans though that is easily the best offer. The number 2 pick is in large best draft asset they are going to get back for him. And with all the other suggested trade pieces in rumors Wiggins is a better player than most of them. As much as people have downed him he's easily a better player than LeVert, with likely still more upside, and LeVert might be the best potential based player I've seen in a rumored offer thus far. I would assume for New Orleans that Wiggins by himself would be enough, unless the perception of Wiggins really has just dropped that much.

                              What makes this a bit more interesting is that massive trade exception the Warriors have from Iggy. For example would the Pelicans agree to a two-trade transaction. Something like Redick for nothing basically to absorb him with that trade exception but with the agreement that in a trade for Jrue they would trade Wiggins, number 2, and another first possibly two of them. No doubt JJ would fit perfectly off the bench for them.
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                              • georgiafan
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                                • Jul 2002
                                • 11106

                                #450
                                Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                                I see Golden State pop up in so many scenarios where they are trading Wiggins for another guard. Like their game plan is to start the season with no small forwards and no centers on the roster lol. Mostly likely Klay can play the 3, and I bet they are pushing hard for a guy like Ibaka with whatever exception they have this off-season.

                                If I'm New Orleans though that is easily the best offer. The number 2 pick is in large best draft asset they are going to get back for him. And with all the other suggested trade pieces in rumors Wiggins is a better player than most of them. As much as people have downed him he's easily a better player than LeVert, with likely still more upside, and LeVert might be the best potential based player I've seen in a rumored offer thus far.

                                What makes this a bit more interesting is that massive trade exception the Warriors have from Iggy. For example would the Pelicans agree to a two-trade transaction. Something like Redick for nothing basically to absorb him with that trade exception but with the agreement that in a trade for Jrue they would trade Wiggins, number 2, and another first possibly two of them. No doubt JJ would fit perfectly off the bench for them.
                                The Pelicans could test out Wiggins for a year and then just trade him as they would have plenty of draft picks to move his contract. It seems like GS is going to go for a proven player over a rookie and I dont see them doing any better then Jrue. The moves they have made since losing KD seems to be more about just getting BPA/assets then fit.
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