4/20 - 5/3 Games Discussion Thread

[jfsolo]

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Damn I think Deni just blew his Achilles smh.

I hope it’s not the case but it didn’t look good at all.

Looks like ACL or sprain knee.
https://youtu.be/kgmix48dW4I

Hairline ankle fracture, terrible but obviously not as bad as it could have been.

[lilteapot]

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So Randle is definitely All-NBA at this point right? And quite easily the MIP? Not sure how one can debate either.

[BleacherBum2310]

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Trae just hurt his ankle looks pretty serious

this season is a disaster.

[cima]

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Jesus, even the Clippers D team can beat teams.


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[ojandpizza]

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So Randle is definitely All-NBA at this point right? And quite easily the MIP? Not sure how one can debate either.

All-NBA is tough just because of how much depth there is at “forward”. Luka, Giannis, Zion, Tatum, Kawhi, PG, Ingram, Paul George, and then LeBron, KD, AD depending on how much injuries hurt them or don’t hurt them according to the voters. Not saying Randle’s name isn’t right there with most of those guys this year, but he’s not definitively leap frogged all of them either.

MIP I would say he’s got a good shot if the voters have actually watched him to see the improvements. He was right around 20 and 10 last year and jumping to 23 and 10 or whatever his averages are now aren’t going to move tons of voters his direction if they haven’t really been seeing the improvements first hand. He’s obviously been a much better and smarter player this season though.

Zion might be sneaking his name into that mix too. Like Randle his stats aren’t a massive jump, but he’s clearly a far more dynamic player playing from the outside in the latter part of this season than he was last season or even to start this season.


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[dubcity]

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All-NBA is tough just because of how much depth there is at “forward”. Luka, Giannis, Zion, Tatum, Kawhi, PG, Ingram, Paul George, and then LeBron, KD, AD depending on how much injuries hurt them or don’t hurt them according to the voters. Not saying Randle’s name isn’t right there with most of those guys this year, but he’s not definitively leap frogged all of them either.

MIP I would say he’s got a good shot if the voters have actually watched him to see the improvements. He was right around 20 and 10 last year and jumping to 23 and 10 or whatever his averages are now aren’t going to move tons of voters his direction if they haven’t really been seeing the improvements first hand. He’s obviously been a much better and smarter player this season though.

Zion might be sneaking his name into that mix too. Like Randle his stats aren’t a massive jump, but he’s clearly a far more dynamic player playing from the outside in the latter part of this season than he was last season or even to start this season.


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Yeah, Randle's per 36 numbers aren't much different than last season's. Thibs playing him a ton of minutes is pushing his numbers up, but I'm sure it's also giving him confidence to improve as a player.

[jfsolo]

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All-NBA is tough just because of how much depth there is at “forward”. Luka, Giannis, Zion, Tatum, Kawhi, PG, Ingram, Paul George, and then LeBron, KD, AD depending on how much injuries hurt them or don’t hurt them according to the voters. Not saying Randle’s name isn’t right there with most of those guys this year, but he’s not definitively leap frogged all of them either.

MIP I would say he’s got a good shot if the voters have actually watched him to see the improvements. He was right around 20 and 10 last year and jumping to 23 and 10 or whatever his averages are now aren’t going to move tons of voters his direction if they haven’t really been seeing the improvements first hand. He’s obviously been a much better and smarter player this season though.

Zion might be sneaking his name into that mix too. Like Randle his stats aren’t a massive jump, but he’s clearly a far more dynamic player playing from the outside in the latter part of this season than he was last season or even to start this season.


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I've been a long time anti Randle guy, but for this season only Giannis should be ahead of him as far as Forwards go on the All-NBA teams, IMO. Injuries should definitely knock most of those guys out of consideration IMO, and even guys wouldn't have been injured I don't think that most would have been more deserving this year. Being considered a better player shouldn't override production IMO.

[DieHardYankee26]

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The most impressive thing for me with Randle is how he’s doubled his assists while basically keeping turnovers at the same rate in only 5 more mpg. We’ve said it enough this year but if he had played like this last year (whether that be because of coaching or he just didn’t have his shot where it is now) we wouldn’t have hated him the way we did. Like OJ said, he’s just making much smarter plays.

[cima]

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Just saw that AD has missed about 67 days and the Lakers "offseason" was 71 days...crazy

[ehh]

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I know Monty is probably a lock to win COY but what Thibs has done with this underwhelming group of talent has been absolutely amazing. Their Vegas win total was 22.5, they're going to come close to doubling that unless they collapse down the stretch.

These dudes are rolling with a frontcourt of Nerlens Noel, a 46-year-old Taj Gibson, Norvel Pelle, a useless Obi Toppin, and Randle.

Elfrid "Brick" Payton and D-Rose's corpse at the point. Run of the mill 3 & D guys in Burks and Bullock.



Barrett has made very nice strides this year and Quickley gives us nice spurts. I cannot believe this team has a chance of securing a top-four seed and homecourt advantage in the opening round.

The most impressive thing for me with Randle is how he’s doubled his assists while basically keeping turnovers at the same rate in only 5 more mpg.

Equally impressive is that his turnovers aren't bad this year, they're just normal turnovers that happen when you have the ball in your hands a ton. Once in a blue moon he goes "2020 Randle" but it's nothing like last year when turnovers were horrendous as often as not.

[ojandpizza]

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I've been a long time anti Randle guy, but for this season only Giannis should be ahead of him as far as Forwards go on the All-NBA teams, IMO. Injuries should definitely knock most of those guys out of consideration IMO, and even guys wouldn't have been injured I don't think that most would have been more deserving this year. Being considered a better player shouldn't override production IMO.

I don't think it should override production either but it's not like all those guys haven't had similar production. And it's tough to say how much injuries will play a role. I think we can safely say AD will be out of the mix, and KD has missed a substantial amount of time at this point as well. LeBron still has a chance to play nearly 70% of the season though. He made the 3rd team two years ago when he went down and the Lakers missed the playoffs entirely, I don't see them voting him off this year when at the time of injury he was number 1 on the MVP ladder and the Lakers were 3 games behind Utah. I actually expect him to still get 1st team with Giannis unless the Clippers just keep winning and Kawhi gets that nod.

There are only 14 players who can qualify as "forwards" averaging at least 22/4/4 per 36, that includes F, G/F, F/C, C/F, F/G.. Someone mentioned Randle was playing a ton of minutes (he leads the league and shocker Thibs) but per 36 he's actually 12th in that group in points per 36 ahead of only Jimmy and DeMar 13th in FG% ahead of only Tatum, last in TS%, last in blocks, 11th in steals, middle of the pack mostly elsewhere, and 4th in boards.

The list includes Luka who could easily qualify as a guard, Joker who will qualify as a center, Towns who won't make a team but would also likely qualify as a center, but I was only pulling the list just to see who he has really clearly outproduced and I don't think most of these guys have really separated themselves at all. Him included.

I know he has had some monster games lately, but also look at the Clippers who are 9-1 over their last 10 and PG's last few games are 36, 33, 32, 36, 37, 23, 33. It's not like it's only Randle having good stretches or playing well late in the year. And I don't take issue with him making an All-NBA team, I just don't think he's been clearly outproducing most of the other guys either. He's had a great 5 or so game stretch but I also don't think the All-NBA team should be decided over a 5 game stretch either. And that same logic puts PG in the same spot he's in. Tatum is another guy who has made just as big of a "recency" jump as Randle, Zion, PG too.. Boston has been on a run 8-2 over last 10 with Tatum having monster games in that stretch. Including that 50 piece. And of course if the voters favor more guards Luka can also always claim a forward spot himself.

FWIW I found a bleacher report projection as of last week that has 3rd team forwards KD and Zion, 2nd team forwards LeBron and PG, 1st team forwards Kawhi and Giannis. I could see Randle taking Zion's spot, or KD's because injury, but I could also see that being a final outcome also.

[ProfessaPackMan]

4/20 - 5/3 Games Discussion Thread

I don’t think KD should make it just for the amount of missed games alone.

Now I do hope Kyrie makes one of those teams but I also how the voters can/have held grudges against certain players because narratives.

Knicks out here hooping too, good ****.

[georgiafan]

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this season is a disaster.

I guess all the games in a short amount of time off is starting to play its role. Both sides knew what would be the case before the season even started. I would rest some guys going into the final few weeks even if it meant a lower seed.

[Vni]

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OJ : how do you write theses long detailed (and good) answers? Do you sit at a desk with a cup of tea while listening to Mozart? Or are you at a red light in your car typing with one hand? Or are you at work checking every 10 seconds over your shoulder if the boss ain't coming around? Are you in the toilets maybe?

What kind of environnement are you in when you write theses posts? I'am curious.

[JazzMan]

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I know Monty is probably a lock to win COY but what Thibs has done with this underwhelming group of talent has been absolutely amazing. Their Vegas win total was 22.5, they're going to come close to doubling that unless they collapse down the stretch.

These dudes are rolling with a frontcourt of Nerlens Noel, a 46-year-old Taj Gibson, Norvel Pelle, a useless Obi Toppin, and Randle.

Elfrid "Brick" Payton and D-Rose's corpse at the point. Run of the mill 3 & D guys in Burks and Bullock.

[emoji38]

Barrett has made very nice strides this year and Quickley gives us nice spurts. I cannot believe this team has a chance of securing a top-four seed and homecourt advantage in the opening round.



Equally impressive is that his turnovers aren't bad this year, they're just normal turnovers that happen when you have the ball in your hands a ton. Once in a blue moon he goes "2020 Randle" but it's nothing like last year when turnovers were horrendous as often as not.

Man, the one year Quin Snyder has a legit shot at COTY, Thibs gets the Knicks out of the cellar and Monty Williams makes the Suns an elite team

Feels bad man

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