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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #1306
    Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by jfsolo
    Sign and Trade for TPE, yes, no for everything else. The Nets and Warriors being absurdly All In doesn't mean that the Lakers should follow suit just because. Even if it's not your money and the team is absurdly profitable doesn't mean that they should cavalierly blow 40-80 million dollars. We're not talking about bringing in fully healthy Kawhi here. No one brought in is going to be the player who makes the team anything more than marginally better.
    Just to make sure we’re on the same page here and this goes for cima and anyone else:

    Are you saying that teams that currently have a championship window of now(Nets, Lakers, Clippers, Bucks)should still be fiscally responsible and pay close attention to the tax bill or that they shouldn’t spend an extra amount of money on some non-superstar/role players?
    #RespectTheCulture

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    • jfsolo
      Live Action, please?
      • May 2003
      • 12965

      #1307
      Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

      OJ is one of these things on the low, either Dennis' agent or Lakers saboteur or maybe both.
      Jordan Mychal Lemos
      @crypticjordan

      Do this today: Instead of $%*#!@& on a game you're not going to play or movie you're not going to watch, say something good about a piece of media you're excited about.

      Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.

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      • cima
        Hall Of Fame
        • Sep 2004
        • 13478

        #1308
        Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

        Originally posted by cam21224
        Agree with mostly everything you said but man you let these sports writers/articles & social media people rile you up [emoji23]

        I just chalk it up to losing a fan favorite ex. Lukeeeee Walton, Turiaf, Shannon Brown, hell even Ariza, they were good in their roles. Did I want a few of them to stay sure, did I want to overpay for them to stay definitely not but like those before him Caruso will be missed and a new fan favorite shall rise!

        Speaking of role players Nick Collison was one of my favorite non Laker role players, yeah I know random as hell




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        Lol the Lakers twitter doesn't rile me up, I like some of the guys just because they can make me look at things differently when it comes to the team...Lakers Film Room Pete was the best but he got hired by the Lakers and has had to change how he speaks about the team now. But I just got tired of the Caruso/luxury tax discussion going on for multiple days...like talk about something else please.

        I also just can't help myself and look at the business side of things and cutting costs since I'm a small business owner...obviously on a much different scale but I get it. You have a budget, you save money where you can, and you try to get the best bang for your $. Buss & Co cleary think they can win a title and save $40 million doing so...so why wouldn't you if you truly believe it's viable?

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        • ojandpizza
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 29807

          #1309
          Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by jfsolo
          Sign and Trade for TPE, yes, no for everything else. The Nets and Warriors being absurdly All In doesn't mean that the Lakers should follow suit just because. Even if it's not your money and the team is absurdly profitable doesn't mean that they should cavalierly blow 40-80 million dollars. We're not talking about bringing in fully healthy Kawhi here. No one brought in is going to be the player who makes the team anything more than marginally better.
          Completely disagree. Milwaukee doesn't get a ring without Pat or Bobby this past season, Phoenix doesn't make the finals without Cam Payne. You can never gauge "marginally better" until you see a guy like that in one of these roles.

          Regardless none of Phoenix, Washington, Sacramento, Portland, or Miami felt Ariza was worth keeping, Bazemore literally left Golden state because he wasn't going to be good enough to get the same role there, Ellington wasn't good enough for a big role with even Detroit or New York, and Monk couldn't consistently crack the rotation for the Hornets.. Any starting level 2-guard would actually make them substantially better.

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          • Master Live 013
            Hall Of Fame
            • Oct 2013
            • 12425

            #1310
            Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

            I don't like making excuses for millionaires. Caruso is a decent player, Lakers should had kept him because the only thing it would cost you is money.
            OSHA Inspector for the NBA.

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            • cima
              Hall Of Fame
              • Sep 2004
              • 13478

              #1311
              Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

              Originally posted by ojandpizza
              Completely disagree. Milwaukee doesn't get a ring without Pat or Bobby this past season, Phoenix doesn't make the finals without Cam Payne. You can never gauge "marginally better" until you see a guy like that in one of these roles.

              Regardless none of Phoenix, Washington, Sacramento, Portland, or Miami felt Ariza was worth keeping, Bazemore literally left Golden state because he wasn't going to be good enough to get the same role there, Ellington wasn't good enough for a big role with even Detroit or New York, and Monk couldn't consistently crack the rotation for the Hornets.. Any starting level 2-guard would actually make them substantially better.
              Bazemore and Monk both turned down more money from other teams to come to the Lakers just FYI...

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              • ojandpizza
                Hall Of Fame
                • Apr 2011
                • 29807

                #1312
                Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by cima
                Bazemore and Monk both turned down more money from other teams to come to the Lakers just FYI...
                And that means what?

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                • jfsolo
                  Live Action, please?
                  • May 2003
                  • 12965

                  #1313
                  Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by ojandpizza
                  Completely disagree. Milwaukee doesn't get a ring without Pat or Bobby this past season, Phoenix doesn't make the finals without Cam Payne. You can never gauge "marginally better" until you see a guy like that in one of these roles.

                  Regardless none of Phoenix, Washington, Sacramento, Portland, or Miami felt Ariza was worth keeping, Bazemore literally left Golden state because he wasn't going to be good enough to get the same role there, Ellington wasn't good enough for a big role with even Detroit or New York, and Monk couldn't consistently crack the rotation for the Hornets.. Any starting level 2-guard would actually make them substantially better.
                  No starting level 2 guard is available and very few in the league might be worth an addition 40 mil in taxes and I will argue with complete confidence that the Suns and Bucks would not have paid additional 40 million dollars before the season to get or keep those players.

                  Others can, but I won't advocate for foolish spending just because it's not my dough.
                  Jordan Mychal Lemos
                  @crypticjordan

                  Do this today: Instead of $%*#!@& on a game you're not going to play or movie you're not going to watch, say something good about a piece of media you're excited about.

                  Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.

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                  • cima
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 13478

                    #1314
                    Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                    Just to make sure we’re on the same page here and this goes for cima and anyone else:

                    Are you saying that teams that currently have a championship window of now(Nets, Lakers, Clippers, Bucks)should still be fiscally responsible and pay close attention to the tax bill or that they shouldn’t spend an extra amount of money on some non-superstar/role players?
                    It doesn't have to be either-or.

                    The Lakers/Caruso goes beyond money, it's about basketball fit too. Remember all those concerns about the Lakers spacing now that Russ is there? A Russ/Caruso backcourt only compounds that issue...Lakers know this, which is why they only signed guards that can shoot the 3. Clearly they are changing their identity...the days of suffocating defense are likely over but they can still be a top 10 defensive team with LeBron and AD on the court.


                    We're all just speculating but IMO what makes sense to me from the Buss POV is "we can win a title without spending this extra $40 million"...even to rich people, $40 million is still $40 ****ing million. You don't throw that away because of someone like Alex Caruso (and I understand it's not his fault, he just happens to be the trigger/casualty in this situation).

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                    • ProfessaPackMan
                      Bamma
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 63852

                      #1315
                      Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                      Originally posted by Master Live 013
                      I don't like making excuses for millionaires. Caruso is a decent player, Lakers should had kept him because the only thing it would cost you is money.
                      That’s why I asked that question to folks here.

                      I can see if they literally had no extra money to spend because of the hard cap and would leave them with NO avenue at all to improve the team, then cool that make perfect sense because that’s the rules that the NBA created.

                      Outside of that, it costs them nothing but money that they can/will make back in the future.

                      (Im not arguing for or against re-signing Caruso, I’m disagree with the logic/notion that Buss/Lakers should be praised for saving some money)

                      There’s always going to be a ridiculously high price tag for championship teams. The teams that play frugal all the time are the ones still stuck in the same losing cycle.
                      #RespectTheCulture

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                      • jfsolo
                        Live Action, please?
                        • May 2003
                        • 12965

                        #1316
                        Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        Just to make sure we’re on the same page here and this goes for cima and anyone else:

                        Are you saying that teams that currently have a championship window of now(Nets, Lakers, Clippers, Bucks)should still be fiscally responsible and pay close attention to the tax bill or that they shouldn’t spend an extra amount of money on some non-superstar/role players?
                        I'm saying that it's reasonable to have a limit to the tax penalty that you're willing to pay regardless of being in win now mode. The Nets and Clippers may have a limit of 200 million in tax penalty, the Lakers and Bucks may have a limit of 50 million. I'm never going to be mad at the team for not being willing to pay an 80 million dollar tax penalty.
                        Jordan Mychal Lemos
                        @crypticjordan

                        Do this today: Instead of $%*#!@& on a game you're not going to play or movie you're not going to watch, say something good about a piece of media you're excited about.

                        Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.

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                        • ojandpizza
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 29807

                          #1317
                          Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                          Originally posted by jfsolo
                          No starting level 2 guard is available and very few in the league might be worth an addition 40 mil in taxes and I will argue with complete confidence that the Suns and Bucks would not have paid additional 40 million dollars before the season to get or keep those players.

                          Others can, but I won't advocate for foolish spending just because it's not my dough.
                          No player available would be worth that money to a team like Memphis that doesn't make money or have a shot at winning it all. But to the Lakers, Nets, Warriors, Knicks if they were in that situation.. I have to disagree. Nobody knows who that player would be, especially if traded down the line, so it's impossible to assume how much better but anything that gets them closer to a ring IMO isn't foolish spending. Caruso sure I get that one to an extent, but to me Dennis is a substantially better player than Nunn. Even if they didn't trade him at all and just brought him back to play 6th man on what at this point would be a bargain contract I think you do it.

                          FWIW here is Nunn's playoff resume.
                          nunn.JPG

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                          • ProfessaPackMan
                            Bamma
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 63852

                            #1318
                            Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by cima
                            It doesn't have to be either-or.

                            We're all just speculating but IMO what makes sense to me from the Buss POV is "we can win a title without spending this extra $40 million"...even to rich people, $40 million is still $40 ****ing million. You don't throw that away because of someone like Alex Caruso (and I understand it's not his fault, he just happens to be the trigger/casualty in this situation).
                            Uhh yes the **** it does. You can’t be all making it rain out here with your money and then turn around and be like Julius from Everybody Hates Chris, lol

                            That’d be like me saying to Joe Tsai and Sean Marks, “Hey, go get KD, Kyrie and Harden at any cost and pay them the most money ALLOWABLE. But don’t spend too much money because we have to watch that tax bill

                            There should never be a situation where fans are applauding Ownership for saving money. These are the same owners that we’re crying broke and needed a “get out of jail free” pass to bail them out of the bad decisions THEY made with THEIR money.

                            You’re a business owner so you’re automatically going to look at it from that side. But in the NBA, you cannot be “All in” and cheap at the same time(speaking in general, not just the Lakers).
                            #RespectTheCulture

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #1319
                              Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by jfsolo
                              I'm saying that it's reasonable to have a limit to the tax penalty that you're willing to pay regardless of being in win now mode. The Nets and Clippers may have a limit of 200 million in tax penalty, the Lakers and Bucks may have a limit of 50 million. I'm never going to be mad at the team for not being willing to pay an 80 million dollar tax penalty.
                              That makes sense and I’m with you on this.
                              #RespectTheCulture

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                              • cima
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Sep 2004
                                • 13478

                                #1320
                                Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                                Uhh yes the **** it does. You can’t be all making it rain out here with your money and then turn around and be like Julius from Everybody Hates Chris, lol

                                That’d be like me saying to Joe Tsai and Sean Marks, “Hey, go get KD, Kyrie and Harden at any cost and pay them the most money ALLOWABLE. But don’t spend too much money because we have to watch that tax bill

                                There should never be a situation where fans are applauding Ownership for saving money. These are the same owners that we’re crying broke and needed a “get out of jail free” pass to bail them out of the bad decisions THEY made with THEIR money.

                                You’re a business owner so you’re automatically going to look at it from that side. But in the NBA, you cannot be “All in” and cheap at the same time(speaking in general, not just the Lakers).

                                The Lakers are paying the luxury tax already and are not being cheap though is my point. Give me a $40 million trigger all day for an all-star... not for Caruso though.


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