2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

[dubcity]

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Shootout to all the folks who put in time photoshopping pics of traded players into their new teams jerseys. You are truly doing the most meaningless/useless work possible lol.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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That deal straight up doesn't seem so good for the Pacers. Only way I could see it even making sense is if it's really a 3 team deal and Pacers manage to get another 1st rounder for Dragic, so they'd walk out with two 1sts for Turner.

Which would set up an interesting draft for them. They'd have a likely top 5 pick(their own) and 3 firsts likely falling in the 20s. Probably could package those and get another lottery pick, which leads to their future being Haliburton, Duarte, Jackson(22nd pick last year), a top 5 pick and another guy they got from the 22 lottery.

I would guess the Sabonis trade leads to Turner staying in Indiana but we’ll see.


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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Portland has needed to do something like this for a long time but they obviously just waited too long from a value standpoint. They better hope they can convince someone to sign there but I suppose the good news is if they fail, they can move Lillard and have a completely blank slate. I don’t mind the deal at all for New Orleans. Got a pretty talented dude basically for free. Would look a lot better if he were paired with Lonzo though.


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[bigeastbumrush]

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He is, but how different is he than Brogdon? And are they trading Buddy or just giving him LeVert’s minutes to play their rookie less. Weird trade to me. And as good as Haliburton seems it would appear that Sac doesn’t ever picture him being “the guy” moving him for Sabonis and keeping Fox.

Davion >>>>

[DamnYanks2]

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I don't love that trade for Sacramento. Pacers got a great young defensive minded guard though. Sacramento has that in Davion. They must love what they see in him. But I guess it's not too bad because they have a plethora of guards. So one was expendable.

Maybe draft a different position next time Sacramento? Weird trade. But Pacers won this one.



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[Majingir]

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I would guess the Sabonis trade leads to Turner staying in Indiana but we’ll see.


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It probably does mean they're less likely to deal him, but we'll see. If the Pacers want to keep Turner long term, then obviously keep him, but if they're not keeping/paying him beyond next season when his deal expires, trade him this year, get a bigger return, and help the tank. Right now they're in the 5 spot. Further tanking gives them a realistic shot of top 3 lottery odds.

Shootout to all the folks who put in time photoshopping pics of traded players into their new teams jerseys. You are truly doing the most meaningless/useless work possible lol.

They're trying to get those likes in. Be one of the first people to have a pic of the guy in the new jersey, and people will like the post.

Or, you could be like the Cut4 MLB account and just spent 10 seconds drawing the new teams hat on paint.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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How in the world does LegionHoops have half a million followers?

They’ve never been credible for anything so why do people believe anything that comes from them?

[jfsolo]

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How in the world does LegionHoops have half a million followers?

They’ve never been credible for anything so why do people believe anything that comes from them?

A lot of people care more about frequency of information delivered with absolute conviction than the veracity of the information.

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[ggsimmonds]

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I don't really know what the Kings are doing.

An abundance of young guards so it makes sense to deal one of them to get stronger elsewhere, but is Sabonis really that guy? Its not that I don't like him as a player, he was on my Wizard "wishlist" but the fit seems off with the Kings.

Feels like they were a little too concerned with getting instant results so they made a trade to secure their spot in the play-in tournament. Surely there were better trades out there?

Edit: I was thinking Sabonis was older than he was. He's 25 and I was thinking he was closer to 28. This makes the trade better but I still would have parted with Fox instead.

On a different topic Beal is getting season ending surgery so another deadline of will they/won't they ends with Beal as a Wizard

[illwill10]

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I don't really know what the Kings are doing.

An abundance of young guards so it makes sense to deal one of them to get stronger elsewhere, but is Sabonis really that guy? Its not that I don't like him as a player, he was on my Wizard "wishlist" but the fit seems off with the Kings.

Feels like they were a little too concerned with getting instant results so they made a trade to secure their spot in the play-in tournament. Surely there were better trades out there?

Edit: I was thinking Sabonis was older than he was. He's 25 and I was thinking he was closer to 28. This makes the trade better but I still would have parted with Fox instead.

On a different topic Beal is getting season ending surgery so another deadline of will they/won't they ends with Beal as a Wizard

I get the drafting BPA, but drafting Haliburton and Mitchell in consecutive drafts while having Fox isn't the best roster management. Fox would have made more sense to move, but Haliburton had more trade value. I still think Barnes gets moved as well. It does seem that offer was on table for Sixers, but either wanted more picks or dead set on Harden.

Wonder if Wizards do a semi-tank and sell off some players.

"Doc Rivers: “We have no choice. We need another guard.” #Sixers". Doc has been more vocal to the media about his team needing to add another guard. I do think they make some type of trade.

[ggsimmonds]

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I get the drafting BPA, but drafting Haliburton and Mitchell in consecutive drafts while having Fox isn't the best roster management. Fox would have made more sense to move, but Haliburton had more trade value. I still think Barnes gets moved as well. It does seem that offer was on table for Sixers, but either wanted more picks or dead set on Harden.

Wonder if Wizards do a semi-tank and sell off some players.

"Doc Rivers: “We have no choice. We need another guard.” #Sixers". Doc has been more vocal to the media about his team needing to add another guard. I do think they make some type of trade.

Oh Haliburton definitely had more trade value. I thought he had more trade value than what this trade indicates. Love the trade for the Pacers, but don't like it for the Kings. So they want to build around Fox by shipping out their best 3 point shooters in exchange for a guy that while good, doesn't have range? Thats how they want to build around a pg with a questionable jumper?

Knowing the Wizards they will try to tank and accidentally finish 8th.

I almost always prefer BPA though. But that assumes team's are more right than they are wrong in their scouting. If scouting and drafting is more of a crapshoot than draft based on need. If you're confident in your scouting almost always go BPA

[ojandpizza]

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I actually don’t hate the trade for the Kings. I think they definitely needed to balance out the roster a bit more with all the guards. Hield has been absolutely awful until recently and he was realistically never going to be a starter for them.

Holiday and Lamb are both bigger and longer guys that can slide to that 3 spot if needed. And an obvious upgrade defensively.

As far as Haliburton, I just feel like he probably didn’t have quite the trade value some people are suspecting. I guess we’ll see how he looks not splitting guard duty (although maybe not because of Brogdon) but as solid as he is he’s not really made the jump in any single area of his game. If you make the commitment to move on from Fox and build around Haliburton you’re sending the message that you’re fine with the future of your franchise being handed over to a guy who’s getting 13 a night on a bad team? I just dunno. He’s one of the most well-rounded players in the league, but idk where that ceiling takes him because he hasn’t show to be spectacular at any area really aside being a better shooter than expected.

Sabonis is a multi time All-Star, likely would have made it 3 years straight had they not been so awful. As promising as Haliburton looks to be he’s a player you hope is an All-Star some day. Sabonis already is, and is only 25, I don’t know what player who’s better than that you could have gotten. It’s not like Haliburton has played anywhere near All-NBA level.. yet at least. And his play hasn’t brought winning either.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Y’all trying to use logic to understand the Kings’ move?

Good luck and god bless, lol

[ggsimmonds]

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I actually don’t hate the trade for the Kings. I think they definitely needed to balance out the roster a bit more with all the guards. Hield has been absolutely awful until recently and he was realistically never going to be a starter for them.

Holiday and Lamb are both bigger and longer guys that can slide to that 3 spot if needed. And an obvious upgrade defensively.

As far as Haliburton, I just feel like he probably didn’t have quite the trade value some people are suspecting. I guess we’ll see how he looks not splitting guard duty (although maybe not because of Brogdon) but as solid as he is he’s not really made the jump in any single area of his game. If you make the commitment to move on from Fox and build around Haliburton you’re sending the message that you’re fine with the future of your franchise being handed over to a guy who’s getting 13 a night on a bad team? I just dunno. He’s one of the most well-rounded players in the league, but idk where that ceiling takes him because he hasn’t show to be spectacular at any area really aside being a better shooter than expected.

Sabonis is a multi time All-Star, likely would have made it 3 years straight had they not been so awful. As promising as Haliburton looks to be he’s a player you hope is an All-Star some day. Sabonis already is, and is only 25, I don’t know what player who’s better than that you could have gotten. It’s not like Haliburton has played anywhere near All-NBA level.. yet at least. And his play hasn’t brought winning either.

Sabonis is the better player without question. Doesn't mean he's the better fit for the Kings though.

And I'm not saying Haliburton should be the centerpiece of who to build the team around. What I am saying is that I definitely don't feel like a Fox and Sabonis pairing is good. By making this trade the Kings are saying this is our foundation. Whereas if they found a way to ship Fox out they'd still have some flexibility there.

Yes Sabonis is a multi-year all star. But an all-star that isn't a good shooter. Know who else isn't a good shooter? Fox. They also traded their two best shooters to create this pairing. Thats my issue, its not at all about Haliburton vs Sabonis. Its Haliburton on the Kings vs Sabonis on the Kings.

I'm with JJ Redick on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvgVCCR4nrE

[ojandpizza]

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Idk I feel like the Kings desperately needed help from other spots on the floor. I don’t think Sabonis necessarily needs to be a great shooter at the 5 spot. Barnes is shooting 40%, Holiday 38%, I think the pairing of a big who’s mobile, sets good screens, can roll, pop, and pass is in theory a great pairing next to Fox. Just not a great pairing in terms of only shooting threes. Haliburton is definitely the better shooter, but he’s not going to be better at playing off that pick and roll action IMO. I’m not saying it’s guaranteed to work, but I’ve been watching Ja and Adams do it all year with neither of them being a threat to kill teams from deep. Fox has the speed to be that, he’s not Ja, but he can provide impact in similar ways with his speed.

Obviously it’s tough to know until they are out there, and also tough to know without knowing what other offers the Kings were getting for either player.

Also I’m not convinced they are necessarily done making moves either.