2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

[ggsimmonds]

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Idk I feel like the Kings desperately needed help from other spots on the floor. I don’t think Sabonis necessarily needs to be a great shooter at the 5 spot. Barnes is shooting 40%, Holiday 38%, I think the pairing of a big who’s mobile, sets good screens, can roll, pop, and pass is in theory a great pairing next to Fox. Just not a great pairing in terms of only shooting threes. Haliburton is definitely the better shooter, but he’s not going to be better at playing off that pick and roll action IMO. I’m not saying it’s guaranteed to work, but I’ve been watching Ja and Adams do it all year with neither of them being a threat to kill teams from deep. Fox has the speed to be that, he’s not Ja, but he can provide impact in similar ways with his speed.

Obviously it’s tough to know until they are out there, and also tough to know without knowing what other offers the Kings were getting for either player.

Also I’m not convinced they are necessarily done making moves either.

Barnes will probably be the next to go if they make another move.
Yes Sabonis can be a positive addition to the Kings but not enough to justify the cost imo. It could be a great pairing if you surround them with shooters. Barnes isn't long for the team, leaving Holiday at 38%. So not a lot of shooters at all.

Sabonis will be getting paid around $19M.
Halibruton on a rookie contract is making $5, and potentially under team control for what, 6 years?

That's an important part of his trade value. Sabonis is the better player at this stage in their careers. But is he enough to pay him 4 times as much?

It goes beyond "getting 13 a night on a bad team." But even then he put up 16 ppg and 8 apg in December and January (slow start in November brings his averages down). Plus he is a solid defender.

This is a guy whose trade value was only going up. And because of that rookie contract (and also by all accounts he is a great culture guy) there was no need to trade him. Forget about other offers; when you have a guy whose arrow is clearly pointing up and on a team friendly contract you hold him unless you get an offer that blows you away. This ain't it. This has all the marks of a deal done because the Kings felt pressured to do something to end that playoff drought.

Of course I can be wrong and the duo of Sabonis and Fox takes the west by storm and in 2-3 years they can be a 4 seed. But this would be a boring board if we all take the wait and see approach.

Also makes me want to revisit the Simmons trade rumors and why the Kings balked at Philly's asking price.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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How in the world does LegionHoops have half a million followers?

They’ve never been credible for anything so why do people believe anything that comes from them?

They’re basically Incarcerated Bob if he only tweeted NBA rumors.


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[illwill10]

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I see Richaun Holmes as a name to watch on the trade deadline as a starting caliber center. He's expendable now and Kings already have depth at Center. Teams like Charlotte, Toronto, and Bucks that makes sense for him.

Also see Barnes still on the move

[georgiafan]

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I don't get how everyone says the Kings made this massive mistake and yet praise the Pelicans. They both made win now moves a team when they aren't going anywhere this year.

* Sacremento got the best player in the deal someone that's a multi time all-star. Do we think Haliburton ever makes a all-star team ?
*He is under a great contract for the next 2.5 years at less than 20 million
*This fills the biggest need on the team while removing the logjam at G
* They move off Hields contract who is overpaid for what he does
* They don't give up any draft picks in the deal while getting the best player in the trade
* Fox and Sabonis are both still very young at 24/25 so the window to win will be open for a long time.
* If they miss the playoffs they still have their 1st round pick and can add another lottery talent.

[jeebs9]

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Is Steve Nash a lier? [emoji23]

[jeebs9]

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This might be the worst Big 3 of all time.

[ojandpizza]

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This might be the worst Big 3 of all time.

Lakers or Nets lol

[ojandpizza]

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Lakers apparently back on the trade Russ bandwagon.. "Rumors" were the plan was to wait until the off-season as they would have two first round picks they could attach to a trade and perhaps get a better return (Russ would be an expiring deal at that point too) but apparently after last nights loss they are looking to move him now..

Doesn't make sense to me because there isn't a trade that makes them better regardless. Off the top of my head the only even semi-realistic options are:

1.) the Wall swap (perhaps they could also get Gordon by including THT, pick, and filler) Wall for Russ straight across with a first round pick isn't a good move for LAL. This trade makes the most sense if they can do it without trading the first round pick, because at that point they would still have the large expiring contract + two firsts option this off-season. Houston wants the pick, but could possibly be enticed because Westbrook would likely take a buyout where as Wall will not. They save a few mill, get a young piece in THT, maybe it's enough to consider taking just a 2nd rounder or 2 instead.

2.) Possibly a different trade with Houston that doesn't even include Wall - would take Gordon, Theis, Augustin, and Nwaba to match money. Lakers would send the pick, a couple minimum deals and first have to waive a player to open the extra roster spot. Not something they are likely looking to do especially if they also want to create a buyout spot.

3.) Possibly the Knicks. would take Fournier, Kemba, Burks, Noel, or swap Rose for any of them, to match money. Only reason the Knicks would have any reason to consider would be that Fournier has 4 years, Burks & Noel 3 so they could clear off some space quicker and Fournier has been a waste of money for them. Their PG situation is no better currently and he at least can raise the floor and get them back to the playoffs I would assume.

4.) Knicks again as the "internet rumors" and NBA radio guys have been floating Randle in a trade for him, that seems like a horrible move for the Knicks as they can trade him elsewhere if the goal is to move him. But again if the Randle market is dry and they want that first round pick, maybe still are high on THT, they could swap that 5 year contract and Evan's 4 year contract for one that ends after next year.

5.) Boston - I don't see them having a reason to want Russ, but they can get there in terms of matching money. Horford, Richardson, and either of Smart/Schroder.. They would have to have interest in THT and that pick for this to make any sense. Doesn't feel like the right move for them.

6.) Back to OKC.. This again doesn't make sense but would they move off of Favors, Muscala, Williams in order to get back a first round pick? Also why would the Lakers give up a first for any of them either? Just adding because they have money.

Part of the problem with any of these trades would be that LeBron would be like 41/42 at the time of that draft pick. Likely retired, if not maybe moved on to play with Bronny. AD will be 32ish, and possibly not completely broken down by then. It's completely plausible that this pick is a top 10 pick, and with no picks in the surrounding years the Lakers don't have great access to replenish talent. It's hard to predict a future asset that doesn't exist yet, but none of those trades are worth a "good" pick, and if they even get the Lakers closer to another ring is debatable. Especially since they haven't even showed they can be healthy and the roster holes on the wing/bigs other than AD have been just as bad as Russ.

[Master Live 013]

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Well, lets see what LeGM has in store for us. And stop trying to send Westbrick to the Knicks

[ProfessaPackMan]

2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

Does nobody ever talk about the possibility of how ugly the post-Lebron era Lakers could look like?

This might be the worst Big 3 of all time.

What are you talking about?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Sounds like teams are waiting on Philly and BK to make their move first…

[DamnYanks2]

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I don't get how everyone says the Kings made this massive mistake and yet praise the Pelicans. They both made win now moves a team when they aren't going anywhere this year.



* Sacremento got the best player in the deal someone that's a multi time all-star. Do we think Haliburton ever makes a all-star team ?

*He is under a great contract for the next 2.5 years at less than 20 million

*This fills the biggest need on the team while removing the logjam at G

* They move off Hields contract who is overpaid for what he does

* They don't give up any draft picks in the deal while getting the best player in the trade

* Fox and Sabonis are both still very young at 24/25 so the window to win will be open for a long time.

* If they miss the playoffs they still have their 1st round pick and can add another lottery talent.

I don't think it was an awful trade for Sac. But I just don't think that franchise knows what the hell it is doing. You're giving up on Haliburton too early imo. Sabonis is a nice pickup. But what is this team trying to do?

I think it would have been wiser to move Fox and then see what you have with Davion and Haliburton going forward. And maybe stop stock piling guards when you draft. Because that made no sense either.

We'll see who they draft next. But trading for Sabonis was more of a win now move and they are far away from doing that.

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[georgiafan]

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So the 76ers will have to give up a lot of other stuff on top of Ben to get Harden? Who would either be a half year rental or get paid a crazy amount of $ at late 30s?

[jeebs9]

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Lakers or Nets lol

hahahahaha Best reply!

Does nobody ever talk about the possibility of how ugly the post-Lebron era Lakers could look like?


What are you talking about?

I know you are already on the ship him out boat. But I'm not....Nets had a legit chance to win a chip or at the very least go to the finals. But stupid Kyrie's injury came out of no way and then James Harden was playing on one leg. All while KD was playing godly holding it down. I watch and want to the first 2 games of that series vs the Bucks. The Bucks had ZERO answers for them. They have only played 16 games together. I think they are 13-3 or something close to that record. Y'all are willing to break it up already. We didn't even get the 3-4 years. It's more like 1 and a half.

Sounds like teams are waiting on Philly and BK to make their move first…

Yup looks like 2009 free agency when everyone waited for LeBron to make a ****ing decision lol. At least the Kings were like **** this waiting ****. We're moving on.

[illwill10]

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"The Utah Jazz are acquiring guard Portland’s Nickeil Alexander-Walker and the Spurs’ Juancho Hernangomez in a three-way deal, sources tell ESPN. The Spurs gets guard Tomas Satoransky and a second-round pick, and the Blazers get Joe Ingles, Elijah Hughes and a second-round pick."