2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

[ggsimmonds]

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Spot on.

The way things are, people will sympathize with you partially based on your likeability.

Simon Biles flames out in the Olympics and cites her mental health. Garners mostly sympathy.

Ben flames out in the playoffs and then months later (at the start of training camp) cites his mental health. Garners mostly skepticism.

The practice video didn't do him any favors either.

I am mostly skeptical because the first time we heard anything about mental health is when Ben started losing money due to fines.

Past several years has seen a change in how we react to mental health matters, but I think we are still sorting out when to be understanding and when to give criticism (myself included).

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I feel like we still treat it like a one size fits all deal, when it comes to that subject and that’s where the problem always lies at.

I’ve seen people say that too about how he only claimed it when he was getting fined but we also need to be real and ask yourself when would it have been appropriate for him to speak up? Immediately after the playoffs? During the playoffs or the season?

DieHard is 100% right in that it was always going to end up like this one way or another. What’s wild to me is that because there’s a video of him smiling on the court, that must mean he’s 100% better. When I see stuff like that, it just confirms to me that we still have a long way to go when it comes to the subject of Mental Health.

(Not trying to be confrontational to anyone here in case y’all get that impression)

[ggsimmonds]

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I don't think the question should be when he should've spoke up. Its more of when would have been appropriate for him to address his mental health. I don't mean release a statement or anything like that. I mean see a therapist and get a handle on it. And as far as I know he didn't start doing that until he started getting fined.

I'm in the position where I think Ben only cited mental health due to finances, but I also think mental health is the root cause.

In that playoff series his confidence in scoring the ball was shot. And as far as I know, over the summer instead of taking care of himself and getting his mind right he requested a trade in the thinking that leave Philly and he can leave those problems behind.

Thats what most people do instead of seeking professional help. Isolate, avoid whatever it is that is causing problems, and not speak on it. Ben's situation is different because it plays out more publicly.

Even if his motivation for seeing the therapist was financial, if it did good and helped him thats a positive outcome and hopefully it will be something he continues to do

[illwill10]

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"The Indiana Pacers will waive center Tristan Thompson, coach Rick Carlisle says. Thompson will sign a new deal with the Chicago Bulls after he clears waivers."

[ojandpizza]

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"The Indiana Pacers will waive center Tristan Thompson, coach Rick Carlisle says. Thompson will sign a new deal with the Chicago Bulls after he clears waivers."

I like this. Bulls needed some size, he might even be able to give a couple minutes as a big 4.

[King_B_Mack]

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"The Indiana Pacers will waive center Tristan Thompson, coach Rick Carlisle says. Thompson will sign a new deal with the Chicago Bulls after he clears waivers."

Exactly what the fan base wanted. Exactly what this team needed with P-Will still out and even when he comes back this will be a valuable addition to the roster. Let’s ****ing go!


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[bigbob]

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The one thing that I find funniest of all is how before the trade, the media was all about "making fun of" Ben's "mental health", but now all of a sudden it is off-limits and "no one knows but him."

Love the media.

I have not seen a bigger twist than when we glorified big hits in the NFL on "Jacked Up" to acting like we care about the players.

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Just to clarify on my end, I was strictly calling out the media and how we essentially give them a free pass to constantly flip flop on controversial things without giving them any significant backlash.

But my opinion, and it comes from looking at both sides:

1. I believe the mental health thing came to light because he was getting hit where it hurt him the most. He used his mental health to have leverage against the team from fining (is this right? It looks wrong) him anymore. What hurts him is how he did not want the help when it was offered to him, as well as the timing.

2. However, mental health presents itself in different ways for everyone. Was his mental health affected by the work environment? Possibly. I believe a work environment can be a cause for exasperating mental health issues.

I for one can look back to multiple periods of time in which I went to bed, begging, crying that I do not wake up, that it would be better for everyone if I did not wake up. I had months where I could count on one hand the amount of days in that period that I did not want to kill myself. A negative work environment clearly negatively impacted my mental health and the instant I made the change, I felt a million times better.

Do I still have days where I go to bed, hoping I do not wake up? Yes. But getting rid of the negativity around me helped that feeling significantly and it happens maybe once a month.

So, I can see how the trade could make him feel significantly better and people thinking, oh, he is just happy not to be in Philly anymore. Yeah, that is probably true, but the weight that is lifted off of someone when they finally get out of what they perceive as a bad situation is huge.

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[ggsimmonds]

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Just speculation but I don't think the work environment was the culprit. Ben behaved as if he blamed Philly and Philly isn't to blame. Neither is he to blame though.

It was the pressure of being a #1 overall pick and being expected to be a "do everything" savior for a franchise. He couldn't just play his game, he had to do everything and along with Embid, carry the team.
It wasn't anything the front office or coaches did, it was just the situation. Philly being a high profile team reaching the playoffs probably magnified it because everything is magnified in the playoffs.

Thats why Brooklyn may be the best situation for him. He can still be a successful superstar, but he has two bigger stars with him to lighten the expectations and allow him to just be Ben Simmons.

Take that playoff stat line where he went 6 pts 15 reb 15 ast and the fans were like "only 6 points Ben? You gotta step it up in the playoffs son." I think if he puts up that statline for the Nets in this year's playoffs fans like Pack would be like "hell yeah, so glad we traded for this dude"

Edit: But the most important part, if Nets fans don't react like that and expect more, he'll find himself in the same situation all over again. Thats why leaving Philly isn't a "cure" and why I don't think he handled it correctly when he acted like the organization was to blame

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Take that playoff stat line where he went 6 pts 15 reb 15 ast and the fans were like "only 6 points Ben? You gotta step it up in the playoffs son." I think if he puts up that statline for the Nets in this year's playoffs fans like Pack would be like "hell yeah, so glad we traded for this dude"

Edit: But the most important part, if Nets fans don't react like that and expect more, he'll find himself in the same situation all over again. Thats why leaving Philly isn't a "cure" and why I don't think he handled it correctly when he acted like the organization was to blame

I mean if Durant/Kyrie are playing god mode Basketball and we’re getting wins along the way that leads to a championship, then sure I’ll take that, lol.

I feel like folks are overstating that last part though. People already think he stinks/sucks anyway based off the last time we saw him on the court and he’s now on a team where according to others:

A). They supposedly don’t have any fans
B). Nobody cares about even while playing in NY

If he comes here and plays like how Harden did when he was here except with more Defense, then what exactly did we really lose? It’s almost as if people forget that he’s in a completely different situation and is going to have a different role here compared to what he had in Philly. [emoji2377]

[ggsimmonds]

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I mean if Durant/Kyrie are playing god mode Basketball and we’re getting wins along the way that leads to a championship, then sure I’ll take that, lol.

I feel like folks are overstating that last part though. People already think he stinks/sucks anyway based off the last time we saw him on the court and he’s now on a team where according to others:

A). They supposedly don’t have any fans
B). Nobody cares about even while playing in NY

If he comes here and plays like how Harden did when he was here except with more Defense, then what exactly did we really lose? It’s almost as if people forget that he’s in a completely different situation and is going to have a different role here compared to what he had in Philly. [emoji2377]

What do you mean by how Harden did?

[DieHardYankee26]

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Do you mean plays like Harden did in the Kings game or averages 22/8/10?

[ggsimmonds]

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Do you mean plays like Harden did in the Kings game or averages 22/8/10?

If the expectation is 20 a night, yall get ready for part 2 of the saga

[ProfessaPackMan]

2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

What do you mean by how Harden did?

In that he half ***ed it half of the time but when he was on the court, with the other 2, it didn’t matter because nobody really had an answer for any of them. And even when he played with one of the other 2, it was still enough to keep us in first for most of the first half.

[illwill10]

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With that team, at best Ben is a 14-8-8 guy. Statically the best I can see Ben averaging D Murray type stats at 18-8-8. But that's on a bad team where's he the #1. Points shouldn't shouldn't be the priority for fans. You just want him to be aggressive and get that FT % to above 70%. With us, there were always frustrating times where he had a clear Mismatch advantage and would still be too passive. I was never complaining about lack of jump shots, just that he would always defer

[ggsimmonds]

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In that he half ***ed it half of the time but when he was on the court, with the other 2, it didn’t matter because nobody really had an answer for any of them. And even when he played with one of the other 2, it was still enough to keep us in first for most of the first half.

I already said numerous times his role will be different.

But we can't sit here before he plays a game with the Nets and act like there is no risk. If Nets get in a tough playoff series, and KD/Kyrie starts talking about guys needing to step up (like what happens in every series every year) and Nash looks at his roster for someone to step up, you think Ben will be exempt?

I'm about 75% confident that this trade works out for the Nets and is a good fit. But there's still a 25% chance that it doesn't.