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  • ggsimmonds
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jan 2009
    • 11235

    #136
    Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by jfsolo
    Russ gaudy stats basically forces his inclusion on the list, but IMO none of them should be there.
    Yeah Russ is automatic. Simply no way he does not make the list. As for the other 2? As of now they don't belong. Maybe after their career is done I'll view them differently but at the moment I don't view them as anything special. They're more like those consistent all stars who are always a part of the second tier of superstars during their prime.

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    • ojandpizza
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2011
      • 29807

      #137
      Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

      I know longevity is something that everyone will differ on but when you’re making a top 75 list like this I just think it has to matter. The list isn’t “who was better their peak year” it’s what are the greatest 75 players to play the game. I just don’t understand how that isn’t applicable to a fairly high degree. So many times I see guys like Kareem and Duncan get tons of praise for their long careers and then everyone else it’s like 1% of their equation lol.

      To me if you’re going to make the list on a relatively short production vs a guy who did it for 10+ years you’ve got to be so damn good that people don’t even want to debate that you don’t belong. I don’t think Dame, and especially Kyrie have had those type of seasons.

      I’ve long said Bill Walton just wasn’t healthy enough to make the list for me. His resume was too short. But at least at his peak he was in the best player alive conversation. MVP level player, DPOTY level player, took home a ring and finals MVP.. that’s the type of season you have to have IMO to trump a guy who’s maybe slightly lesser than you but proved it for a decade.

      Like if all we had of MJ was his best 5 years, LeBron his best 5 years, yeah those types probably make the list.. Kyrie? Like at least be a top 10 MVP vote getter first. Not saying those voted awards should count for much but playing at that level should, he doesn’t check the longevity box or the play at an MVP level box.

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      • jeebs9
        Fear is the Unknown
        • Oct 2008
        • 47568

        #138
        Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

        I don't care about all that. Y'all see this move lol
        Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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        • jfsolo
          Live Action, please?
          • May 2003
          • 12965

          #139
          Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

          I would really love to see Sabonis as the third best player on a team with two other All-NBA caliber players.
          Jordan Mychal Lemos
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          Do this today: Instead of $%*#!@& on a game you're not going to play or movie you're not going to watch, say something good about a piece of media you're excited about.

          Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.

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          • dubcity
            Hall Of Fame
            • May 2012
            • 17876

            #140
            Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by jfsolo
            Russ gaudy stats basically forces his inclusion on the list, but IMO none of them should be there.
            True. In his case, as well as Carmelo's, it's about counting stats > winning. I just don't care as much about those numbers. We know who the winning players in the league are. Who know who the guys are that we would pick if we were actually trying to put together a championship team.

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            • ggsimmonds
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jan 2009
              • 11235

              #141
              Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by jeebs9
              I don't care about all that. Y'all see this move lol
              https://youtube.com/shorts/ZxXLFo3XbjM?feature=share
              Kyrie makes top 25 for funnest players to watch
              Originally posted by dubcity
              True. In his case, as well as Carmelo's, it's about counting stats > winning. I just don't care as much about those numbers. We know who the winning players in the league are. Who know who the guys are that we would pick if we were actually trying to put together a championship team.
              Now hold on just a minute. Frequently the difference between a guy putting up good stats but not winning and a guy putting up good stats and winning is the supporting cast. You talk about picking guys if you were putting together a championship team, but most winners do so because their team put a championship team around them.

              I hate "rings" arguments for everything except GOAT arguments. But for a comparison like KD vs Dame? Winning has nothing to do with it.
              Edit: KD is a great example of this. Had he stayed in OKC he'd probably fall under the counting stats > winning umbrella and would be diminished. Yet when he went to GS cause he wanted to win he was attacked for it.
              Last edited by ggsimmonds; 02-27-2022, 12:45 AM.

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              • ggsimmonds
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jan 2009
                • 11235

                #142
                Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

                With Sunday's game against the Knicks, Harden needs one more 3 point make to surpass 76ers Legend Ben Simmons in career 3 pointers as a 76er

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                • ojandpizza
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 29807

                  #143
                  Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by dubcity
                  True. In his case, as well as Carmelo's, it's about counting stats > winning. I just don't care as much about those numbers. We know who the winning players in the league are. Who know who the guys are that we would pick if we were actually trying to put together a championship team.

                  I mean I think both are considered in something like this. A role player who has only won like say Robert Horry, D Fish, isn’t cracking the list. Also players like T-Mac, Hill, Roy, Rose who were statically incredible for a short time also didn’t make the list.

                  Plus Russ has only missed the playoffs twice in his career. Once as a rookie, and once as a 45 win team where KD only played 27 games. He’s credited to being 75th all time in win-shares, 90th in playoff win-shares. Regardless of who does/doesn’t like the way he plays it’s impossible to label him as somebody who hasn’t won at a high level his whole career.

                  And I don’t know where it currently stands but as of last February Kyrie had a 166-199 record in all games not played with LeBron in his 10 year career. A +359 in playoff minutes played with LeBron, -49 in playoff minutes without LeBron. He got his ring, played great in the finals too, but it’s impossible to point fingers at Russ for “not winning” without acknowledging that everything Kyrie has done without LeBron hasn’t been mixed results too.

                  Both of these players are going to look flawed compared to the very top tier. For every time Russ takes an iffy shot or makes the bad pass Kyrie is just as likely to over-dribble and aim for that “Kobe shot” instead of pass to whoever is open.

                  In Kyrie’s first playoff run post-LeBron the Celtics were bounced in 9 games. With Kyrie, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Morris, Smart.. Kyrie averaged 21 a night on 38% in those 9 games. In what context is that a guy who we definitely crown as one of the “winning players” while crowning Russ as basically the guy who only loses.

                  And I’m not trying to hate on Kyrie, or change anybody’s mind on their opinion of how Russ plays, I’m just saying at this stage of his career the sample size of Kyrie stacking up on a list like this just isn’t really there yet. He keeps playing at a high level like he is for another 5 years or whatever he most likely lands on the next list pretty easily. But for now Russ’s career achievements are way above Kyrie, he’s topped out as the more polarizing guy at his peak, and though Kyrie has a few deep playoff runs with Bron with not much to brag about without Russ has done the same playing with KD and playing without. And Russ currently has a higher career win% than Kyrie too.
                  Last edited by ojandpizza; 02-27-2022, 03:13 PM.

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                  • jeebs9
                    Fear is the Unknown
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 47568

                    #144
                    2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

                    What a game!



                    Kyrie hadn’t played in 2K weeks
                    Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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                    • ojandpizza
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 29807

                      #145
                      Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

                      Portis was a massive grab for Milwaukee. Being able to bring him back has been one of the more underrated moves of the off-season.

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                      • ojandpizza
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 29807

                        #146
                        Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

                        Also amazing defensive play at the end for Johnson but I have a hard time understanding how that’s not a foul. Completely understand the block itself is clean but not many other situations you can just smack a guys arm and it not be a foul. If he would have missed the ball entirely it’s an instant foul whether the shot goes in or not, we see that all the time. So why is it not a foul because he gets a piece of the ball first? Weird to me.

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                        • Master Live 013
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Oct 2013
                          • 12429

                          #147
                          Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

                          At the end of the day, 75 or not 75, in their prime, I rather have Dame or Kyrie than Russ.
                          OSHA Inspector for the NBA.

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                          • The 24th Letter
                            ERA
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 39373

                            #148
                            2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

                            Give me Tony Parker over all off them, lol

                            The Bucks/ Nets game was really fun to watch, but this comment under the highlight had me laughing….especially b/c so many people agreed with it.

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                            • jeebs9
                              Fear is the Unknown
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 47568

                              #149
                              Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                              Give me Tony Parker over all off them, lol

                              The Bucks/ Nets game was really fun to watch, but this comment under the highlight had me laughing….especially b/c so many people agreed with it.

                              Lol... Just of been watching a different game. Rebounding and run protection. Nets haven't had that in a while. Its been nice to see.

                              James Johnson has been worth it.
                              Last edited by jeebs9; 02-27-2022, 08:39 AM.
                              Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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                              • roadman
                                *ll St*r
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 26339

                                #150
                                Re: 2/24 - 3/7 Games Discussion Thread

                                Terrible game for Bucks fans last night to sit through the 3rd quarter, a quarter that's been a nemesis since December, at least.

                                Turnovers, missed FT's and not good defense.

                                Kudos to Kyrie, Drummond and Seth for holding down the fort with a more
                                imposing team in the near future with Simmons and KD coming back.

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