Is NBA2K3 this easy!?!?

[khensu]

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I'm not sure I totally aggree with you on the doubling scenario. Maybe because I'm sorta old school. My defensive strategy is never to doube team, because i've found that it causes more trouble than it is worth. If i were playing someone and they were doubling me in the post or always I would immediately run my offense through the guy being doubled and work the ball to the man that the doubling guy left. I think I may approach the game differently than most. I dont necessarily look for one person to score my points. I tend to work the ball around and take what the defense is giving me with preference on isolation situation. If the defense sags i'll pull up the jay. If they play me tight, i call for a pick.

[neovsmatrix]

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Still, different teams use different defensive strategies. None of which are represented in the game. This is the basic problem. Teams do use half court traps and switch up the way they treat a superstar. I mean, superstars do get doubled a lot when they're on fire and the rest of the team is cold (depends on the team of course, but some teams do this)Why would any team try to guard every other player when they're unable to produce offensively and the superstar's the only one keeping the team in the game? I'd like to see more complexity in the defensive game because it definitely needs it. NBA Live 2003 does it, and ID 2003 probably does it since they did it in ID 2002. Other than representing which teams use zone or not, NBA 2k3 doesn't do anything else with the defensive options they have available.

[Da_Czar]

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hey nervomix please goto the wishlist for nba 2k3 and put you gripes in there, you have some good points that will make this a better game for next year. although personally the game isn't easy and they double abdur raheem on occasion as well .

[khensu]

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Cant really debate this issue. Maybe you will better serve if you tried the other games to see which experience is better.

[silky4]

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How is 2K3 online with PS2??? Is it as slow and choppy (with dialup) as Live? Or smooth like Madden??

[neovsmatrix]

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Like I said, I LIKE NBA 2k3. I'm not bashing it. I'm saying that the defense needs to be improved. As in, more varied. They rely on zone too much, and it's either zone or no zone for every team in NBA 2k3. What about full court traps and half court traps? I know NBA Live does this well, so I'm just hoping that Visual Concepts finally picks up on this. Because it does need to be improved. The AI's not very good at forcing turnovers, nor are they very good at putting pressure on the ball. This is where it's lacking, trying to switch up their defense and make the user think more about how to get around it. If they fix this, then Visual Concepts would be an almost perfect sim, IMHO.

[Graphik]

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I've seen the CPU use a full court press, and double my hot scorer. Not a lot though, but it happens.
and although I seen your post saying fixing up the defensive AI should'nt be up to us, it should be VC.
You are right but thats are only option for now. I switch to the CPU controlled team and double my scoring threat and put tight defense on all my players. Yes, we should'nt be the ones doing it but there is no choice.
and tonite, im a mess around with the CPU defensive playbook and see if they call the plays i select for them.
Has anyone tried this?

[neovsmatrix]

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I've seen a full court press too. Still, it's pretty limited in terms of how many defensive schemes the AI uses. What's the purpose of having a half court trap and full court trap if the AI doesn't use it? I know some teams use them, so the AI should use them every once in a while. But they don't. The offensive AI seems to be able to force the user to always double team a hot player especially in the clutch, but they don't seem to do the same against the user. As for the full court press, it's not an effective one at all anyway. All I have to do is just run past the guy guarding my ballhandler, and that's it. Where's the risk of turning the ball over or forcing the user into an 8 second violation? Teams in the NBA do this at times successfully. The Lakers are especially adept at this. The Sixers are good at using the half court traps, but in NBA 2k3 they just don't use them. I think I've already made my point though, and I guess I'll just post it under the gripes topic for NBA 2k3. It's a great game, but I think this issue needs some attention.

By the way, half court trap is in the default defensive playbook so if they were going to call it at all, they should be calling that at some point in the games. I'm not going to bother manipulating the defensive AI because it's too much of a chore to manage both teams. I don't like the idea of doing that, although I do recognize that as a possibility. Still, it doesn't excues the fact that the defensive AI needs to be revamped, and that's the only purpose for my posts re: this issue.

[khensu]

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Woah, woah pump yo brakes!!! You took that the wrong way man.

[wwharton]

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Have you ever called the half court trap? Would you even know if the CPU did use it? lol

I think the defensive plays work pretty well, but I can't figure out the half court trap for the life of me. That one just doesn't look anything close to something that should be called half court, or trap.

[khensu]

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I agree with you...I dont think the play looks all that effective either.

[Graphik]

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Yea I agee with u, I called half court trap and the CPU just ignored it.

[neovsmatrix]

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Yeah, I had this problem last year too, where the half court trap just wouldn't work the way it should. It seems like that's the case this year as well. Live 2000 did it well for sure. I saw them execute it properly. NBA 2k3 just needs to work on refining the defensive schemes and properly implement them. They have to make the defensive AI use these schemes when they should use them. However, I do think I would be able to recognize the half court trap. In the way NBA 2k3 executes it, when you're bringing the ball up the court, there will always be a double team on the ball handler. So your PG gets doubled as you bring it up the court, then you pass it off, and that person who receives it gets doubled etc. What they need to do is as the PG is bringing it up the court, they need to be able to force the PG to one side and use the sideline as another defender, so to speak, and have two guys cut off the passing and dribbling lanes for the ballhandler. That's when it's executed effectively. The AI just doesn't do that. And I can't do it either in the half court trap but I can do it manually, just by pressing the double team button after forcing the ballhandler to the sideline. I've forced a lot of turnovers and rushed shots this way which resulted in many blocks as well. It destroys the opponent's offense and can get me back into the game this way, if the opponent's on fire.