The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203

    #406
    I think there was less incentive to play him when the team was playing well. D'Antoni wasn't going to mess with a good thing.

    But now fans expect this team to best the lower teams. I think even casual fans know the reality of it all. The Knicks shouldn't be beating teams with multiple all-stars. But they better beat the evenly matched or lesser teams.

    Anyway, now that losses will start piling up again because of this tough stretch and the bench is playing poorly, I wouldn't be surprised if D'Antoni starts looking deeper into his bench.

    I really think Chandler should return to the sixth man role and Randolph should help STAT slide to the four.


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    • ehh
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2003
      • 28962

      #407
      Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

      Turiaf gave us a nice spark the first month or so even if he wasn't scoring but now he's useless and even more of the already absurd load is on Amare's shoulders because of it. AR has got to play even if he's going to be a mess on the offensive end of the floor. He can still hustle and do some dirty work to at least give Amare a break here and there.
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      • bigeastbumrush
        My Momma's Son
        • Feb 2003
        • 19245

        #408
        Okay..back to my argument..what does a "scoring big man" do for the Knicks?

        Nothing.

        The Knicks need perimeter defenders and a big who can consistently do the things Amare can't (mask Amare's deficiencies).

        Knicks don't need more scoring.

        Gallo has to be that scorer.

        Who's the Knicks best on ball defender??

        It's Toney Douglas.

        He's not gonna get more minutes because Felton is playing out of his mind at PG.

        AR needs to be that player.

        A scoring big man does nothing for this Knicks team. Scoring is not the problem. Defense is.

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        • bigfnjoe96
          Hall Of Fame
          • Feb 2004
          • 11410

          #409
          Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

          And once again not having a big-man who plays some D & rebounds kills us. On a back2back what does Pringles do he just plays STAT, GALLO & CHANDLER another 40 minutes. No sign of AR, no sign of Mosgov, while Varejo goes off for 18 rebounds & kills us with the PnR.

          Not to mention no one could make a shot when we needed it. And Toney Douglas is just killing us right now

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          • ehh
            Hall Of Fame
            • Mar 2003
            • 28962

            #410
            Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

            Anyone watch the game last night? How bad did we look?
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            • bigfnjoe96
              Hall Of Fame
              • Feb 2004
              • 11410

              #411
              Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

              Originally posted by ehh
              Anyone watch the game last night? How bad did we look?

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              • Pared
                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                • Feb 2003
                • 39337

                #412
                Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                Mozgov is too slow to defend the PnR. AR would've been nice to see because he could've kept up with Varejao.
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                • CMH
                  Making you famous
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 26203

                  #413
                  Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                  Missed the game. Looks like only Felton played well?
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                  • Vast
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 4015

                    #414
                    Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                    The winning streak made me hate D'Antoni less. But i still hate him.
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                    • Jeffx
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 3045

                      #415
                      Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                      Originally posted by Vast
                      The winning streak made me hate D'Antoni less. But i still hate him.
                      Same here. He's a joke, and te Knicks will never win big time with him as coach. Doesn't even teach team defense.

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                      • ehh
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 28962

                        #416
                        Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                        Thoughts on the recent trade rumors?

                        Turiaf for Duhon? Meh, and only if we have another big coming in elsewhere. Right now we look like Villanova with Amare and a bunch of guards. I know Turiaf is never healthy but we can't get rid of him even if he's playing on one leg. Not sure what we do with Toney Douglas either if we bring in another PG, does he solely give us time at the 2 off the bench or is he going to join AR in the D'Antoni Doghouse?


                        Anyway, back on the court tonight - hopefully the three days off helped the starters immensely. It'll be interesting to see if D'Antoni expands his rotation has he's hinted at. I'm guessing it doesn't mean AR gets any burn though.
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                        • Vast
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 4015

                          #417
                          Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                          Originally posted by ehh
                          Thoughts on the recent trade rumors?

                          Turiaf for Duhon? Meh, and only if we have another big coming in elsewhere. Right now we look like Villanova with Amare and a bunch of guards. I know Turiaf is never healthy but we can't get rid of him even if he's playing on one leg. Not sure what we do with Toney Douglas either if we bring in another PG, does he solely give us time at the 2 off the bench or is he going to join AR in the D'Antoni Doghouse?


                          Anyway, back on the court tonight - hopefully the three days off helped the starters immensely. It'll be interesting to see if D'Antoni expands his rotation has he's hinted at. I'm guessing it doesn't mean AR gets any burn though.
                          We should not trade Turiaf, at least not for a guard. We need an inside presence to help with the defense and rebounds.
                          If we trade Turiaf he HAS to start giving AR some playing time like at least 20+ mins a game.

                          Do you guys really think Turiaf is that much better than AR??
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                          • bigeastbumrush
                            My Momma's Son
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 19245

                            #418
                            Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                            Originally posted by Vast
                            We should not trade Turiaf, at least not for a guard. We need an inside presence to help with the defense and rebounds.
                            If we trade Turiaf he HAS to start giving AR some playing time like at least 20+ mins a game.

                            Do you guys really think Turiaf is that much better than AR??
                            Yes.

                            We'll never know how good AR can be if he never gets in a game.
                            It's all mental for him right now and that does not mix with D'Amnphony because as soon as you're in his doghouse...it's over for you.

                            And Duhon...WTF?

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                            • Hassan Darkside
                              We Here
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 7561

                              #419
                              Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                              I don't want Duhon to touch another basketball in New York.

                              Great W today over OKC though. We probably really needed the rest after that heartbreaker against Boston, raping by Miami, and embarrassment in Cleveland.
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                              • randombrother
                                Banned
                                • Oct 2009
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                                #420
                                Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                                The only people that want Duhon back is the people who bought his Jersey on the off-season. And I'll just pay them two guys cash for their troubles.

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