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  • stlducks
    MVP
    • Mar 2010
    • 2888

    #841
    Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

    Melo is just mad because he thought he could come to the Knicks and everything would be perfect. No matter where he plays he will be a cry baby just wanting to score the most not caring if they win or lose. Players like him will never win in the NBA, this isn't college it takes more than one great player.
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    • CMH
      Making you famous
      • Oct 2002
      • 26203

      #842
      Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

      Originally posted by stlducks
      Melo is just mad because he thought he could come to the Knicks and everything would be perfect. No matter where he plays he will be a cry baby just wanting to score the most not caring if they win or lose. Players like him will never win in the NBA, this isn't college it takes more than one great player.
      Please provide a link. I missed the story about Melo being angry and crying.
      "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

      "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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      • BATMON
        Banned
        • Oct 2010
        • 1445

        #843
        Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

        Originally posted by CMH
        Effort doesn't take time. That's all I've been asking for since day one this season.

        I'm not really sure why you keep coming in here harping about these imaginary fans that want the Knicks to go 82-0. No one here is delusional.
        I dont understand why u continue to frame YOUR team as lacking effort.

        I just dont see that at all. I watch Knick games and lack of effort doesnt seem to be the real issue. It looks more complicated than that.

        How does a team, that's NOT a TEAM yet, execute correctly if they're not on the same page?

        Effort cannot make up for lack of cohesiveness.

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        • CMH
          Making you famous
          • Oct 2002
          • 26203

          #844
          Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

          Originally posted by BATMON
          I dont understand why u continue to frame YOUR team as lacking effort.

          I just dont see that at all. I watch Knick games and lack of effort doesnt seem to be the real issue. It looks more complicated than that.

          How does a team, that's NOT a TEAM yet, execute correctly if they're not on the same page?

          Effort cannot make up for lack of cohesiveness.
          I'm not asking for them to execute correctly as a team. They will make mistakes. You've mentioned the reasons for this and I'm in complete agreement over it.

          Effort on the other hand is something anyone, anywhere can accomplish even without knowledge of the right way to complete a task. You hire someone to do a job, they must learn it. But, it's very easy to see if that employee is trying to learn or not trying to learn; whether that employee is trying hard to do right or giving up immediately.

          I'm not really sure why the Knicks being my team has anything to do with noticing players not giving their best effort on a given night. The Pacers beating up on them with their big men was never my concern. Perhaps you are compressing my thoughts with the thoughts of others? I'm not sure.

          I've only said since day one that the Knicks lack effort on defense. Truthfully, if you're watching the Knicks play and you do not notice that they are not trying on defense then bless your eyes for being able to avoid that ugliness. Sometimes it's a curse to notice lack of energy.
          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

          "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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          • BATMON
            Banned
            • Oct 2010
            • 1445

            #845
            Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

            Originally posted by CMH
            If you're watching the Knicks play and you do not notice that they are not trying on defense......
            Your right, they're are not trying at all.

            Cool.

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            • CMH
              Making you famous
              • Oct 2002
              • 26203

              #846
              Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

              Originally posted by BATMON
              Your right, they're are not trying at all.

              Cool.
              I never said they aren't trying at all. But if that's how my words are appearing to you then I understand why we aren't even coming close to seeing eye-to-eye on this.

              You see the Knicks trying their hardest on defense every single night? I guess you do. Maybe I'm definitely off on my basketball knowledge then if they are playing their hardest every single night, every single possession.
              "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

              "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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              • Pared
                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                • Feb 2003
                • 39337

                #847
                Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                Originally posted by BATMON
                Your right, they're are not trying at all.

                Cool.
                They have a point. It may not apply to the Pacers game, but they do.

                If you're going off of just that game, you're doing the same thing you're practically of accusing them of.

                The Knicks have been lax on defense at times. Cleveland and Dallas come to mind.
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                • BATMON
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 1445

                  #848
                  Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                  Originally posted by Pared
                  The Knicks have been lax on defense at times.
                  But isnt this by default since the Coach doesnt focus on the side yet?

                  No one gives 100 percent for 82 games.

                  They play defense but not very well.

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                  • Pared
                    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 39337

                    #849
                    Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                    That's what makes it so frustrating for them, I would assume.
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                    • CMH
                      Making you famous
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 26203

                      #850
                      Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                      Originally posted by Pared
                      That's what makes it so frustrating for them, I would assume.
                      That's my point. I'm not arguing anything else.

                      I'm not oblivious to their shortcomings. I realize they don't have very many defensive-minded players. I realize they don't have many big players that can guard the opposing team's big players.

                      I'm just asking that they at least put in a greater effort to play with those guys.

                      At least pretend they really care about defense for 48 minutes rather than crunch time in the 4th quarter.

                      It's inexcusable for me (maybe just me) to see them put up a great effort against the Miami Heat. Step into that extra gear, be ready to play against one of the best teams in the league and then suddenly step back against weaker teams. It's noticeable at tip-off.
                      "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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                      • BATMON
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 1445

                        #851
                        Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                        Will D'Anphoni be the coach if they become contenders, or will it be someone else to get them there?

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                        • Jeffx
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 3045

                          #852
                          Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                          Originally posted by BATMON
                          Will D'Anphoni be the coach if they become contenders, or will it be someone else to get them there?
                          I think it depends on what happens next season. I agree with you, Knicks aren't a complete team, so he gets a pass until they get the right pieces. But remember, Dolan is not a patient man. We don't even know if he'll bring Walsh back.

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                          • NYJets
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 18637

                            #853
                            Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                            Also probably depends who's available. I don't see the Knicks firing Dantoni for an assistant any time soon, but if a big name starts floating the idea that he wants to coach the Knicks, the pressure will go up.
                            Originally posted by Jay Bilas
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                            • Jeffx
                              MVP
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 3045

                              #854
                              Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                              Last week it was Tyler Hansbrough. Yesterday, the Knicks made Delfino look like Superman. WTF? 7-8 since the trade.

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                              • Pared
                                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 39337

                                #855
                                Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                                I love watching this team. All the fans can drive themselves crazy.

                                As long as we make the playoffs, we'll be doing some damage to some high seeded team.

                                I'd love a Miami-NY matchup first round. Pretty please.
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