I'm sure you've read all the stories today about Pringles being fired, Pringles has lost the locker room, Carmelo saying he wouldn't mind being traded, Carmelo saying he wants to stay, etc., etc. It never ends with the Knicks. And it proves what I've always felt. The Knicks will never win with this front office and this owner. This franchise has been a joke since Cablevision took over. We had a glimmer of hope with Donnie Walsh, but that's over. Dolan doesn't mess with the Rangers, so why can't he leave the basketball alone?
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I'm sure you've read all the stories today about Pringles being fired, Pringles has lost the locker room, Carmelo saying he wouldn't mind being traded, Carmelo saying he wants to stay, etc., etc. It never ends with the Knicks. And it proves what I've always felt. The Knicks will never win with this front office and this owner. This franchise has been a joke since Cablevision took over. We had a glimmer of hope with Donnie Walsh, but that's over. Dolan doesn't mess with the Rangers, so why can't he leave the basketball alone? -
Re: The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?
I'll tell you, I'm sure glad I have the Yankees and Rangers to root for because being a Knicks and Jets fan is an everyday headache.
You have two well-run franchises (throughout their history) vs. two extremely poor-run franchises. This is why I need the Yankees to win every year."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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So I'm really suffering here...and have been suffering for my lifetime if it wasn't for the Yanks.Comment
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The players don't have the respect of the coach. Once again, I point to the video I posted.
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I wonder about this too. Why does he leave the Rangers alone, but he bothers the Knicks?
I'll tell you, I'm sure glad I have the Yankees and Rangers to root for because being a Knicks and Jets fan is an everyday headache.
You have two well-run franchises (throughout their history) vs. two extremely poor-run franchises. This is why I need the Yankees to win every year.
I really have no idea why I have such a love for sports, as the vast majority of my teams are historically bad.
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I wonder about this too. Why does he leave the Rangers alone, but he bothers the Knicks?
I'll tell you, I'm sure glad I have the Yankees and Rangers to root for because being a Knicks and Jets fan is an everyday headache.
You have two well-run franchises (throughout their history) vs. two extremely poor-run franchises. This is why I need the Yankees to win every year.
That and I don't think he cares about hockey so he doesn't get involved he just lets Glen do this thing, which after a decade of disapointment has finally clicked.
It wasn't always the case with Sather, for a long time before the lockout the Rangers were run in typical Dolan fashion, get star names, sell tickets, collect profit. Eventually the fanbase and management got sick and tired of losing and went in another direction, and now that it is suceeding Dolan keeps his nose out of it.
Honestly the Knicks have been bad for a long long time, but Dolan refuses to change and allow anyone else to make the desicions. Someone needs to come in and just tell Dolan to sign the paychecks and stay as far away from MSG as possible.Go Yankees
Go Rangers
Go Giants
"You play to win the game."Comment
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I wonder about this too. Why does he leave the Rangers alone, but he bothers the Knicks?
I'll tell you, I'm sure glad I have the Yankees and Rangers to root for because being a Knicks and Jets fan is an everyday headache.
You have two well-run franchises (throughout their history) vs. two extremely poor-run franchises. This is why I need the Yankees to win every year.
Actually I feel bad for you younger Knicks fans. At least I saw the two championships, when the Knicks played smart offense and tough defense. Team basketball at its finest. Then we had Bernard King's great two-year run and Ewing's 90s era. They didn't win a title, but so many fun memories.
Now the team is dysfunctional and has been for the past ten years. Unfortunately bad owners can't be fired.Comment
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Actually, he did for a while under Donnie Walsh. Then for some reason he got impatient and stuck his nose in the Carmelo negotiations. Walsh was willing to play chicken with Denver, but Brain-Dead Dolan said no.Comment
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I think either way the players definitely don't listen to D'Antoni. They realize his words are a joke.
The more I think about it, the more I want the Knicks to run Isolations for Anthony. I keep saying you coach to a team's strengths and that's his strength so we need a coach that's going to coach to that.
I'm not saying you do the Mike Brown idea of coaching: Iso all the time for your best player. But, you run plays alongside the Iso. You can teach movement while Melo is on Isolation.
Isolation doesn't mean you still can't run PIck and Rolls for Stoudemire and find him on the opposite elbow of Carmelo.
I don't see how you're not running those two men to death to score points. If you're not going to preach defense, then give the ball to the best players on the court.
I keep hearing this "ball stopper" stuff. Well, then if Melo is going to stop the ball (and that's how he scores points), get the other 4 men to move. Melo is willing to pass if he sees the open man.
But Stephen A. is right. (And so glad he used the word stubborn because I'll keep throwing that word out there). D'Antoni is out to prove that his basketball works. No matter the consequences. No matter the result. He wants to prove that his basketball works and he'll die trying.Last edited by CMH; 03-14-2012, 01:25 PM."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
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How young do we have to be?
I'm 35 and starving like being stuck in a desert.
The millions and millions of dollars that the Knicks have spent since I started watching them has got to be in the national deficit range at this point.
We want a winner.Comment
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I do keep thinking back to that video and you might be right.
I think either way the players definitely don't listen to D'Antoni. They realize his words are a joke.
The more I think about it, the more I want the Knicks to run Isolations for Anthony. I keep saying you coach to a team's strengths and that's his strength so we need a coach that's going to coach to that.
I'm not saying you do the Mike Brown idea of coaching: Iso all the time for your best player. But, you run plays alongside the Iso. You can teach movement while Melo is on Isolation.
Isolation doesn't mean you still can't run PIck and Rolls for Stoudemire and find him on the opposite elbow of Carmelo.
I don't see how you're not running those two men to death to score points. If you're not going to preach defense, then give the ball to the best players on the court.
I keep hearing this "ball stopper" stuff. Well, then if Melo is going to stop the ball (and that's how he scores points), get the other 4 men to move. Melo is willing to pass if he sees the open man.
Some announcer (maybe Clyde) said why don't the Knicks do that more often.
Logic.
You're 2 best scoring threats. On the same side of the floor. Leave one...you're burnt.
Logic.Comment
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I like Anthony - I really do. But I just think he was very bad for this team and coach from a morale standpoint. Look at us last year before the trade with Felton. Look at the offense this year and the TEAM PLAY when Anthony was hurt.
I'm not trying to pin blame on him. I wanted Anthony to be the final piece of the puzzle. But he's a square peg being fit into a round hole at this point. There is nothing D'Antoni can say or do once the players tune you out. 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Re: The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?
Watching the Knicks/Bulls game and the Knicks ran a P&R with Amare setting the pick for Melo.
Some announcer (maybe Clyde) said why don't the Knicks do that more often.
Logic.
You're 2 best scoring threats. On the same side of the floor. Leave one...you're burnt.
Logic.
D'Antoni wanted Melo to be a point-forward early in the year. I'm not saying you go back to that, but if Melo is going to hold the ball (which he should so long as he doesn't force shots) then run a real offense when he's holding the ball.
You're right, it's LOGIC. D'Antoni continues to ignore what works. Stubborn, man. He's just stubborn. It's his way or no way.
I keep thinking of D'Antoni as that guy that sits down all day and think of great ideas, but when someone gives him one, he throws it to the side because it's not his own. Even if it's a good one, he scoffs at it. That's how I picture him with his assistants and players going over video or running plays."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
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Re: The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?
But this wasn't the case last year which is why that little clip bothered me. You lead by example.
I like Anthony - I really do. But I just think he was very bad for this team and coach from a morale standpoint. Look at us last year before the trade with Felton. Look at the offense this year and the TEAM PLAY when Anthony was hurt.
I'm not trying to pin blame on him. I wanted Anthony to be the final piece of the puzzle. But he's a square peg being fit into a round hole at this point. There is nothing D'Antoni can say or do once the players tune you out. And his demeanor made it the most obvious to me.
I don't think he's rocking the boat. I think he's leading a ship that already left the dock.
The players are just saying everything right. All this talk about "D'Antoni's an offensive genius. I love playing for him." All of that is BS. Stoudemire doesn't believe that anymore. Anthony surely doesn't believe that. Lin only did or still does because he didn't know any better.
Those guys know that the system doesn't work. It doesn't work with the clientele. I agree with you that Anthony is a square peg trying to fit in a round hole, but when you have that problem you making the hole bigger. You chip away at it until the square peg fits. OR you get rid of the wood board and find one that works with square pegs.
D'Antoni is throwing round holes at Anthony. It doesn't work. Find a coach that is willing to make it work.
*Lest we forget that Stoudemire already knew D'Antoni's system didn't work. I think the difference here is that Stoudemire is older, wiser. He's not going to openly complain about it. He knows that complaining makes you look bad. So instead he's just gonna ride it. He knows the losses are going to lead to one thing: D'Antoni being fired.
Anthony made the mistake of being emotional on the sideline and being screen capped by Pared. But outside of that, he hasn't really said one wrong thing this entire time. He continues to praise D'Antoni and say they need to play harder.
Those guys know what they are doing. They are just following the other lemmings to the edge of the cliff. Showing other people that this is the wrong path by listening to it and losing as a result.Last edited by CMH; 03-14-2012, 01:40 PM."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
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Re: The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?
Yeah, I remember these things being brought up since Day one of the season. I remember back to that Los Angeles game and guys were dissecting the pick and roll and wondering why Melo and STAT weren't running it together. It's so freaking obvious.
D'Antoni wanted Melo to be a point-forward early in the year. I'm not saying you go back to that, but if Melo is going to hold the ball (which he should so long as he doesn't force shots) then run a real offense when he's holding the ball.
You're right, it's LOGIC. D'Antoni continues to ignore what works. Stubborn, man. He's just stubborn. It's his way or no way.
I keep thinking of D'Antoni as that guy that sits down all day and think of great ideas, but when someone gives him one, he throws it to the side because it's not his own. Even if it's a good one, he scoffs at it. That's how I picture him with his assistants and players going over video or running plays.
Your assistants are never going to go against you when they're you're damn family members and their job is tied to you. Picture Dan D'Antoni disagreeing with Mike D'Antoni. As if Dan D'Antoni would ever get another assistant coaching job anywhere in the league not coached by Mike.
It's like they brought Woodson in to be a mole and just break up the nonsense amongst the coaching staff. Just give Woodson the job already.Comment
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